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To: naturalman1975

So you’re arguing against socialism by arguing for it.

It’s the individuals who vary in ability, not the group. They would learn faster by being exposed to the English speakers, not sequestered away from them. Animals do not talk, so how would they learn English better from them?


11 posted on 10/23/2014 12:29:44 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
So you’re arguing against socialism by arguing for it.

No, I most certainly am not. I am opposed to socialist ideas of cramming all children into the same classes regardless of ability or attainment levels and not differentiating instruction to address differences.

It’s the individuals who vary in ability, not the group. They would learn faster by being exposed to the English speakers, not sequestered away from them. Animals do not talk, so how would they learn English better from them?

Expecting them to learn English by exposure to the English speakers, means treating the rights of English speaking children as less important in the classroom than the right of non-English speaking children. English speaking children are in that classroom to learn themselves - not to just be used as tools to teach non-English speaking children. ESL children should be in the regular classroom most of the time - but not all the time. They should be taken out for targeted teaching.

And it's not a matter of children learning English from animals. As I said, it's to do with exposure to basic English vocabulary. I'm not sure how often you see basic 'readers' or primers, the types of books specifically written and designed to teach children language skills but these books tend to be illustrated with pictures that directly relate to the text on the page. They rely on children being able to identify what the pictures show and what words go with those pictures.

That means building common English vocabulary and that is where experiences like this are useful.

Some people prefer being outraged, rather than looking to see how problems can be fixed. But I'm not a socialist in any way, shape or form. I believe in education that works - and that means acknowledging differences among children - all differences - and designing educational experiences that address those differences where they impede learning. I believe it's critically important that children in English speaking countries learn English as quickly as possible, and that means given them the lessons they need to make sure that happens early. And that is what this school seems to me to be trying to do.

19 posted on 10/23/2014 12:54:10 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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