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To: LadyDoc
I'd be interested in your comments on the evidence I brought out in #10 about the use of the ovine luteinizing hormone, beta hCG:alpha oLH, which is known to severely suppress normal fertility and has been known to do so for years. Women en masse are being injected with this without their knowledge or consent, under colors of having to have universal tetanus vaccination.

As opposed to about 50 other things which they really need more.

This round-up-all-the-women scare was promoted on the grounds that local midwives are, for instance, using unsterilized scissors to cut umbilical cords. Wouldn't it be somewhat more efficient to give every midwife a couple gallons of bleach and show her how to sterilize her scissors?

17 posted on 10/24/2014 5:50:42 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of informaton.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
the urban legend of "HCG" is ancient I read about it here in the Philippines 20 years ago, when a similar scare occured. Supposedly, there was an experimental "HCG" vaccine given to women to see if they would become sterile by making antibodies against this hormone, meaning that the very early embryo wouldn't grow. The rumor was that the experiment was done in the third world, including on Filipino women in the 1980's. However, that vaccine was never released

link from 1994

link from 1993 article lauding the vaccine might soon be released

report on phase one trial on women in 1988, that checked for side effects on women, but not a study if they got pregnant, since the Lancet aricle notes that it was used only on women already sterilized. I can't find phase two or phase three studies.

link to review article on these vaccines from 1996

However, I can't find any articles after those dates, except for articles on anti vaccine and other sites that aren't known for their scientific knowledge.

Since I've seen babies die of neonatal tetanus, I have little patience with this type of stuff.

and giving "sterile" scissors to midwives that one stupid person suggested won't work, because trained midwives already boil their scissors, and many tribes use a self trained midwife or even untrained relatives to deliver the baby. (In Liberia, we had a program to retrain these women to help prevent such problems)... Yet even if the stump was cut with a clean knife and dressed by the midwife, often mom (or grandmom) will remove it and place dirty herbs on the umbillical site.

18 posted on 10/24/2014 6:48:53 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I took anti-hormones to shrink my endometriosis so I could get pregnant.

It costs 200 dollars a shot. And it caused lots of side effects: Depression, hot flashes, lethargy. And I needed to repeat the shot every month.

They also give it to my men with prostate cancer, warning them about the side effects, and noting that they would be getting a much higher dosage to shrink their cancer.

So the answer is: Why use an expensive shot that needs to be given every month to work?

as for the midwife question: Trained midwives sterilize their scissors, and many countries (Sudan, Liberia, Afghanistan) have programs to train the untrained midwives on safe childbirth.

In Africa, some tribes insist relatives deliver the baby, and in a lot of other places, even after the cord is cut and a dressing placed on the stump, when mom goes home, grandmom decides to take them off and use local herbs or clay treatment.


23 posted on 10/24/2014 7:38:27 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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