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Some U.S. hospitals weigh withholding care to Ebola patients
reuters ^ | 10/23/14 | Julie Steenhuysen and Sharon Begley

Posted on 10/22/2014 3:56:00 PM PDT by knak

(Reuters) - The Ebola crisis is forcing the American healthcare system to consider the previously unthinkable: withholding some medical interventions because they are too dangerous to doctors and nurses and unlikely to help a patient.

U.S. hospitals have over the years come under criticism for undertaking measures that prolong dying rather than improve patients' quality of life.

But the care of the first Ebola patient diagnosed in the United States, who received dialysis and intubation and infected two nurses caring for him, is spurring hospitals and medical associations to develop the first guidelines for what can reasonably be done and what should be withheld.

(Excerpt) Read more at in.reuters.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aca; deathcare; ebola; ebolainsurance; ebolaliability; obamacare; obamasfault; obolacare
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1 posted on 10/22/2014 3:56:00 PM PDT by knak
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To: knak

The beginning of government supported euthanasia.


2 posted on 10/22/2014 3:57:03 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: vetvetdoug

Why don’t we have a super effective Ebola vaccine yet? What makes it so different from influenza, or smallpox, or polio.


3 posted on 10/22/2014 4:03:11 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: knak

What I have heard locally: hospital A will hold suspected Ebola patient in decon area, and send suited personnel to care for him until CDC arrives to transfer pt to CDC facility. Hosp. A will only send senior MDs and RNs. I hope “suited” means positive pressure Level 4 biosafety suits and not only Tyvek and duct tape.

Hospital B will leave pt in decon area until CDC arrives, no treatment.

What happens if CDC won’t transfer because all their beds are full - I don’t know.


4 posted on 10/22/2014 4:05:43 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: knak

5 posted on 10/22/2014 4:08:02 PM PDT by wtd
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To: Morpheus2009

Louis Pasteur had an effective rabies vaccine in 1885, without even being able to see the vaccine (no electron microscope.)

So why don’t we have an Ebola vaccine?

Possibly, Africa is incapable of 19th century Western science.

Possibly, the West never found it economically worthwhile to create an Ebola vaccine, given that it only sickened a few Africans, that making vaccines has become ridiculously expensive because of safety and liability issues, and that every time the West pushes a vaccination campaign in the Third World it is accused of infecting people with AIDS or sterilizing them.

Or possibly, Ebola is really hard to turn into a vaccine.


6 posted on 10/22/2014 4:10:59 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: vetvetdoug

No treatment is not the same as killing. Euthanasia is actively killing. Withholding treatment is letting nature do what nature does. Right or wring it is not the same.


7 posted on 10/22/2014 4:12:28 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: knak

I guess Marines and the National Guard go where doctors and nurses fear to tread.


8 posted on 10/22/2014 4:23:45 PM PDT by rey
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To: Morpheus2009
Why don’t we have a super effective Ebola vaccine yet?

My guess is that Hussein 0bama and his inner circle have either been vaccinated or at least doses of ZMAPP reserved for them. The peasants can go die in the streets.

9 posted on 10/22/2014 4:25:32 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (I want a Speaker who'll stick that pen and phone where no one but Reggie Love can find it!)
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To: knak

It appears based on admission date, and date of symptoms for the nurses, that they likely became infected at the beginning of his treatment-not toward the end when the dialysis and intubation happened.

Inadequate PPE, training, and decontamination procedures apparently the cause.


10 posted on 10/22/2014 4:30:01 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: rey

Military can be ordered to duty. Civilians (and hospitals) cannot.


11 posted on 10/22/2014 4:34:29 PM PDT by ziravan (Choose Sides.)
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To: heartwood

There was griping from medical professionals that no one in the west cared about Ebola until it became really bad. And this last out break was the worst.

Hopefully, they get it under control and eradicate it.


12 posted on 10/22/2014 4:37:53 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: knak

Certainly this is not really a problem as there are only four Ebola patients in the whole of the country.


13 posted on 10/22/2014 4:50:44 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: knak
"Some U.S. hospitals weigh withholding care to Ebola patients"

Obamacare will cover ebola until November 4th, 2014.
14 posted on 10/22/2014 5:02:22 PM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: Morpheus2009

Fight Ebola with Extreme Hydration

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/metro/20141020-hydration-helps-nigeria-beat-ebola-outbreak.ece


15 posted on 10/22/2014 5:22:19 PM PDT by urtax$@work (The only kind of memorial is a Burning memorial !)
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To: ziravan
"Military can be ordered to duty. Civilians (and hospitals) cannot."

Maybe. South Carolina issued the following order to establish a readiness pool (apologies for the formatting):

SOUTH CAROLINA BOARD OF HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL PUBLIC HEALTH ORDER October 15, 2014 Background and Purpose for Public Health Order Ebola is a highly infectious and deadly virus with a high mortality rate. As of this date, there are several confirmed cases in the United States, and more than one hundred persons in quarantine who are subject to daily monitoring following exposure to infected individuals. The Board of Health and Environmental Control (Board) and the South Carolina Department of Health and Environmental Control (DHEC) deem it necessary to enhance the ability of DHEC to maintain open and active communications with essential individuals and facilities, to prevent the spread of Ebola, to avoid imminent peril to the public, and to promote early identification and prevent potential for an outbreak. The Board and DHEC find it necessary to issue this Public Health Order for the protection of the public’s health and to identify and establish a defined network of emergency communications. All individuals and entities listed in this Order must monitor and respond to notifications and requests from DHEC via the means described herein within 24 hours or the timeframe specified in the communication. This Public Health Order is issued pursuant to SC Code Sections 44-1-80 and 44-1-140. Actions required for compliance are as follows: I. Email Registration On or before Monday, October 20, 2014, the following categories of individuals and entities must register with the Health Preparedness Network (Network) by sending an email to the address listed below that applies to you, unless you received this Order directly via email from DHEC, in which case you are already registered. This Network allows you to receive one-way communications of public health importance, including but not limited to information, guidance and instruction, from DHEC regarding the Ebola virus. A. Email to: RESPONDER-join@lists.CIO.SC.GOV Certified Emergency Medical Technicians Licensed ambulance services Licensed emergency medical responder agencies (non-transporting) 911 operators/dispatchers 911 Dispatch Centers Each Fire Department and individual Fire Chiefs _____ B. Email to: PROVIDER-join@lists.CIO.SC.GOV Licensed hospitals and institutional general infirmaries Licensed facilities that treat individuals for psychoactive substance abuse or dependence Licensed intermediate care facilities for persons with intellectual disability Licensed nursing homes Licensed home health agencies Licensed hospice services and facilities Licensed community residential care facilities Licensed ambulatory surgical facilities Licensed renal dialysis facilities Licensed residential treatment facilities for children and adolescents Licensed in-home care provider agencies Licensed chiropractors Licensed medical providers, including physicians, medical examiners, osteopaths, physician assistants, and respiratory care practitioners All primary care physician offices, including but not limited to free clinics, FQHCs, Rural Health Clinics, pediatrician offices, internal medicine, general practitioners, and urgent care facilities Licensed nurses, including RNs, LPNs, advanced practice nurses (CRNAs, APRNs) Licensed pharmacists Licensed pharmacies and pharmacy-located clinics Licensed social workers Licensed veterinarians Certified athletic trainers   Registered and permitted infectious waste transporters Licensed long-term health care administrators Laboratories, including but not limited to independent and those located within health care facilities; ______ C. Email to: DECEASED-join@lists.CIO.SC.GOV All persons performing embalming, cremation and funeral services, including but not limited to cemeterians, funeralists, and morticians Coroners and deputy coroners ______ D. Email to: SCHOOL-join@lists.CIO.SC.GOV Private institutions of higher learning Private school principals, headmasters, or other persons who operate private, independent, or parochial schools, and school nurses at each of these facilities II. Designee Registration In addition to the above registration, on or before October 20, 2014, the following facilities must also register on the DHEC website at www.SCDHEC.gov. Click on “Facility - Health Preparedness Network Registration” to update existing information or subscribe for the first time. This Order requires the designee’s name, email address, phone number, facility name, and position at the facility. This category of registration allows DHEC to request and receive information related to Ebola preparedness. Licensed hospitals and institutional general infirmaries Licensed ambulance services Licensed emergency medical responder agencies (non-transporting) 911 Dispatch Centers All primary care physician offices, including but not limited to free clinics, FQHCs, Rural Health Clinics, pediatrician offices, internal medicine, general practitioners, and urgent care facilities Any questions related to required registration or requested information should be sent by email to DHEC at Ebola@dhec.sc.gov. Violation of a Public Health Order issued pursuant to SC Code Section 44-1-140 may result in a civil penalty in accordance with SC Code Section 44-1-150. AND IT IS SO ORDERED. ___________________________________ 10/15/2014________ Allen Amsler, Chairman Date SC Board of Health and Environmental Control ________________________________ 10/15/2014_______ Catherine Templeton, Director Date SC Department of Health and Environmental Control

16 posted on 10/22/2014 5:23:23 PM PDT by buckalfa (Long time caller --- first time listener.)
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To: clearcarbon

When you consider that one Ebola patient requires the care of 20+ hospital personel on the level of ER training, it would severely impact a hospital’s ability to stay.

Just a couple of weeks ago, one of the ones affected in Dallas had to temporarily close their ER.


17 posted on 10/22/2014 5:26:33 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: knak

Duncan should have been put in a rowboat and shipped back to
Liberia

As for Americans I agree should give them the best treatment available


18 posted on 10/22/2014 5:35:17 PM PDT by njslim
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To: All

How much does Obamacare cover for an ebola case?


19 posted on 10/22/2014 5:46:19 PM PDT by CharlotteVRWC
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To: knak

Behold the medical racket.


20 posted on 10/22/2014 6:16:53 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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