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To: FreedomStar3028
So then the government can instead charge us with petty crimes, brand us a felon. Bye bye rights. I’m glad you agree with that.

If the vast majority of people decide to lynch you, you are going to be lynched. Again you present a straw man. The system allows the people to determine what is a crime and what a suitable punishment is. If you are terrified that petty crimes will be given draconian sentences, I suggest you first worry about the death penalty.

You are aware of how a constitutional, democratic republic functions right? We don't restrict the people from being able to run their government based on presumptions that they will be tyrants. Is it possible? Sure, that is why we allow free people to debate and vote. But at the end of the day, if 60% of the people want to make petty theft punishable by death, its going to happen, because they will elect the legislature, POTUS, and SCOTUS. The 40% can then choose to fight.

I sure wish you would have skipped the hysterics and started with the rest of your post.

In short, I think the vast majority of felons that commit violent crimes are not salvageable and that they should never again be allowed to walk as free citizens among honorable citizens. I'm ok with penal farms etc. for those people, where they are live separate lives from the rest.

As for less heinous crimes, put them in separate prisons or just make them work it off. I would not put a man in prison for vandalizing cars, I would give him a sentence as an indentured servant and force him to pay for the damage, court costs, and his room/board.

104 posted on 10/20/2014 3:30:15 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan

I am aware of how a constitutional republic works. However, we are no longer constitutional democratic republic. America has been changed into a country where the will of a federal judge trumps hundreds of thousands of legitimate votes. I realize my intro is pretty preposterous (at this point in time), however we are headed down the road that leads to that type of injustice. If Americans do not unite against our government regardless of beliefs and values our government will be our downfall. Which is the reason the government has purposefully divided us. No force on Earth can stop a *United* States of America. A *Divided* States of America however is eating itself alive.

We don’t elect anyone, there were districts in 2012 that went 100% democrat. There were districts that had counted more votes than registered voters in said districts. Stuffing ballot boxes after the booths close, modifying computer voting systems, and intimidating your opposition gets you in power. The only reason it isn’t a wide spread belief that America IS under Tyranny is because a good front is put up. America today is the ultimate most successful Potemkin village ever created.

Back on track however the government will eventually come for the guns. We aren’t soft enough yet, but give it maybe another decade, or two. Possibly a crushed revolution or coup, and people will be willingly handing over their weapons to the feds.

Because a point will come when all patriotism, and strength has been bred from us.


110 posted on 10/20/2014 4:00:28 PM PDT by FreedomStar3028 (Somebody has to step forward and do what is right because it is right, otherwise no one will follow.)
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To: SampleMan

I am aware of how a constitutional republic works. However, we are no longer constitutional democratic republic. America has been changed into a country where the will of a federal judge trumps hundreds of thousands of legitimate votes. I realize my intro is pretty preposterous (at this point in time), however we are headed down the road that leads to that type of injustice. If Americans do not unite against our government regardless of beliefs and values our government will be our downfall. Which is the reason the government has purposefully divided us. No force on Earth can stop a *United* States of America. A *Divided* States of America however is eating itself alive.

We don’t elect anyone, there were districts in 2012 that went 100% democrat. There were districts that had counted more votes than registered voters in said districts. Stuffing ballot boxes after the booths close, modifying computer voting systems, and intimidating your opposition gets you in power. The only reason it isn’t a wide spread belief that America IS under Tyranny is because a good front is put up. America today is the ultimate most successful Potemkin village ever created.

Back on track however the government will eventually come for the guns. We aren’t soft enough yet, but give it maybe another decade, or two. Possibly a crushed revolution or coup, and people will be willingly handing over their weapons to the feds.

Because a point will come when all patriotism, and strength has been bred from us.


111 posted on 10/20/2014 4:00:28 PM PDT by FreedomStar3028 (Somebody has to step forward and do what is right because it is right, otherwise no one will follow.)
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To: SampleMan
SampleMan said: "We don't restrict the people from being able to run their government based on presumptions that they will be tyrants. "

I think I see your problem right there.

What you are saying is nonsense.

Those who supported the American Revolution consisted of about a third of the people in the colonies at the time. Another third was against the Revolution and the final third remained as neutral as possible under the circumstances.

And yet our Founders felt fully justified in overthrowing the existing government and instituting a new one.

You are perhaps among those who believe that if a super-majority supported "repeal" of the Second Amendment then there would no longer be a right to keep and bear arms.

In fact, there will always be a right to keep and bear arms. Repealing the Second Amendment would simply eliminate the explicit prohibition against infringement of the right by government. The same holds true of all our other unalienable rights.

Slavery was not eliminated by the Thirteenth Amendment alone. It required the loss of half a million lives to end the debate and to restore liberty to millions held in servitude.

In summary, there is much that we do to restrict the people from being able to run their government based on presumptions that they will be tyrants. Bearing arms is one such mechanism for restricting tyranny by majority.

129 posted on 10/20/2014 6:32:37 PM PDT by William Tell
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