Posted on 10/20/2014 3:55:19 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
India is also looking to upgrade the first set of three Project 11356 frigates that were purchased in the early 2000s.
Russia offered India three additional Project 11356 or Talwar class frigates, after New Delhi made a formal request, Vladimir Spiridopulo, the general director working on this project at the Northern Design Bureau, said. Negotiations have been taking place since this spring, TASS said.
India to spend $3 billion for 3 more Talwar-class frigates Russia supplied India with two sets of three Project 11356 frigates, with the last one being the INS Trikand.
“Negotiations on the third set of three frigates have been taking place with the Indian side since this spring. India sent us a request and we presented a proposal in response,” Spiridopulo said. “I cannot talk about all the details of the third set of three frigates,” he added.
Spiridopulo also would not specify which shipyard might be given the order – the first three ships were built in the Baltic Shipyards of St. Petersburg, and the second set in Kaliningrad’s Yantar Shipyards.
The general director of the bureau reported that negotiations are underway for the modernization of the first three Indian Project 11356 frigates, handed over in the early 2000s. “But the contract for the modernization has not been signed yet,” said Spiridopulo.
Speaking about the other areas of military-technical cooperation with India, Spiridopulo said that the Northern Design Bureau is helping to install a combat information and control system, of its own design, on Indian Project 17 destroyers (Kolkata-class). According to him, this system is now being installed on the third ship of this project.
India would be looking for the next frigates to be equipped with BrahMos missiles. The Indian Navy’s existing Project 11356 frigates are not BrahMos-equipped because they were designed before the BrahMos naval variant could be developed.
These ships, a modification of Krivak III class Russian frigates, are designed to carry and operate one heavy duty early warning helicopter which can provide over-the-horizon targeting. The frigates can also have the indigenously built Dhruv light combat helicopter.
The frigate’s efficacy in anti-submarine warfare can be gauged by the fact that its RPK-8 rocket system has a firing range from 600 to 4300 metres and the depth of engagement of up to 1000 metres.
Its combat data system independently generates combat missions based on situation analysis, determines optimal number of missile firings, displays information on the state of ship-borne weaponry and transmits data to protection systems.
Why aren’t we or the South Koreans building ships for India?
~India to spend $3 billion for 3 more Talwar-class~
Gold-plated?
India has a long history of buying their ships from Russia so I wouldn't expect Korea or especially the U.S. to be in the picture. The more interesting question is why India isn't building them in their own yards?
It’s already in service with the IN-already 6 ships, so logistics is easier if you buy if from the old supplier.
Secondly, buying from the US or Korea would mean having to buy add-ons from them, so that means more costs. That’s fine for a new system, but not the way to go for a workhorse platform.
“Didn’t we build several destroyers escorts, corvettes and frigates per day during World War II?”
I’ve spent a career building military equipment. If you’re in a war money is no object. The government does not care what something costs, only that it is built quickly and then thrown into combat. So, you can afford to build the specialized equipment to make something which has no other purpose but to efficiently kill the enemy. You can automate huge swaths of the project and produce many of the same item like radar sets, guns, gun loading mechanisms, because it makes economic sense to spend the money to automate. But when you’re not in a war and you’ll build three of something in five years it makes no sense to build specialized machinery. The steel you’ll need will be produced whenever the plant is not otherwise loaded instead of at a priority. Because everything from your logistics to the space you’ll lose is suddenly at a premium then the price of the item goes up.
Several years ago I read that it took five years from procuring the first raw pieces to finish an F-15. But if we were in a war, and not being bombed daily, we’d set up a production line and they’d roll off the assembly line at several copies a day. They’d be much cheaper per plane, but much more expensive as a program. We’d have so many planes that when we left a country it would be cheaper to destroy the jets than to fly them home.
Another huge problem for the American military is that Congress may authorize, say, 150 aircraft to be built over ten years, but they allocate the money one year at a time. Nobody would incur the cost and the risk of automating anything given those conditions. Everything we build today is as if it was a one-off prototype. Yep, that’s expensive.
Did you see the article about the ‘used’ carrier India bought? Never got delivered + cost over runs. A Joke.
I'm wondering why they aren't made in India.
Thanks to the previous gov'ts policies, India has very few shipyards capable of doing such work. These are already overwhelmed. Most are gov't owned and run months/years behind schedule.
The new gov't is changing that, but the new yards will take a few years to come online.
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