Women warriors terrifying the jihadis who believe if they're killed by female they won't make heaven

Daily Mail ^ | 10/18/2014 | By SAM GREENHILL

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Exclusive: Savage women warriors terrifying the jihadis who believe if they're killed by a female they won't go to heaven

• Army of women in desperate battle to defend Kobane from Islamic State
• Nesrin Abdi carries rifle in case she is captured and needs to shoot herself
• The medical student is a part of an all female wing of the Kurdish army
• Says ISIS militants are terrified of being killed by a woman and fear they won't go to heaven

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  You wouldn’t know it from her sweet smile, but the reason why Nesrin Abdi carries a rifle is in case she needs to shoot herself dead.
  
  This, she explained matter-of-factly, would be preferable to being captured by the monsters of Islamic State. Nesrin, a 20-year-old medical student, is by all accounts a happy, well-educated, middle-class young woman with an infectious joy for life.
  
  In her home town of Kobane on the Syria-Turkey border, moments of joy are rare, but a photograph captures the triumphant moment three days ago when she was among Kurdish fighters who recaptured a strategic hill from the Islamic State invaders.
  
  The jihadis’ sinister black flag was torn down and replaced with a fluttering Kurdish red-and-yellow banner, marking what may well prove a symbolic turning point in the life-and-death struggle for the besieged town.
  
  
  But Nesrin, a doctor’s daughter who has joined an army of women battling to defend Kobane, is aware that every day could be her last.
  
  

[cloudmountain]

And that is exactly how the jihadis of the Caliphate see the role of women in combat - suicide bomb carriers
Shouldn't your thinking be a little more Western?

When you live in a foreign country it IS helpful to know how they think. That IN NO WAY means that I also think that way. WHY on earth would you assume such a thing of me?

[cloudmountain]

At the core of feminism is the ‘&rsquo victim and ;grievance mentality’’. It's simple and it's pernicious at the same time. Everything that happens to women(marriage, birth, pay-check inequality, rape, etc.) is because women have no power. (i.e, political. sexual, physical) is because men(hetero-sexual white males) have traditionally held all the power(not minority males because white men denied them that power) ergo every woman who subscribes to feminism must be baptized in this ''victim'' mantra or it won't work. Everything then therefor is the fault of white hetero-sexual males denying women power. Any woman who doesn't buy into this is an outcast because they expose the myth of victimhood. This is why feminists are dead set against the 2A because it truly empowers women not to be victims of male violence.

I always called these uber feminists on this because they were condemning their own fathers, brothers, uncles, ALL their male relatives AND friends without compunction.
Their thinking was puerile, foolish and as ass-backwards as anything I had ever heard.

[cloudmountain]

Wow, rage much? I disagree in any case. Good on her for willing to risk it all to fight against those who would force her to wear a black sack and submit to an 80 year old man.
I would rather fight too, and die trying, rather than become a slave.

Those women grew up wearing the "black bag" and so did ALL their females relatives and friends, so, as backward and awful as YOU might think it (me too) THEY saw it as normal, SOP.

As for "submitting," well, strong women exist everywhere, as do weak men. I don't ASSUME that the strong women DIDN'T get their way and that WEAK men did. The problem lies where there are both strong husband and wife who want to rule the roost, or both weak husband and wife, who are ruled by others.

SOMEwhere in there, a happy medium must exist. It happens in most marriages anyway, I think. SOMEone in the family is the disciplinarian and decision-maker and it's not always the man. But you know that.

By the way, those covered faces of the Bedouin women DID protect their skin from the blistering desert sun. The only things showing were hands and feet.

Having lived in that heat for five years, I know what I'm talking about. With all the POWER the Saudis had, each new, modern home had TWO enormous A.C. units and we could get our house down to 60 degrees F. Brrr, I made myself COLD sometimes and had to turn OFF the A.C. for a bit.

All the buildings had A.C. and I ended up having to wear a WOOL sweater over my top at work, just to be comfortable.

By the way, women/girls in a family are not treated as slaves. Their "babas" (daddies) ADORE their daughters and I saw it everywhere I saw father and daughter (little ones) together. They were SO patient with their children...they adore their children.

But I was only there for five years working WITH 30 Saudi men...and heard all the trials and tribulations--and GOOD things--that went on. It was the same as it is here. They are just people.

[cloudmountain]

I think I recall you; you’re the one that was boasting not too long ago about living overseas, working for an American company and boasting of not paying taxes and making out like bandits all the while ridiculing others in this country who were/are picking up your slack...I’ll have to go hunt those posts of yours down; very enlightening as to the “type” you are.

BOASTING? Well, if you took it that way, then so be it.
It was NOT pleasant living over there--AT ALL--and money is/was the one and only reason why ANYone, American or European, would go over there.
But YOU read it as boasting which shows how you feel about ME. So be it. I wonder if you really think that I care about your opinions. :o) svr = so very rude.

[cloudmountain]

In Iraq today, there IS NO "safe protected" area. There never is when the other side practices guerrilla warfare. Ask any Vietnam vet.
The SAFEST place for her to be, is among armed men, many of whom are likely to be her relatives. Women are fine defending fortified positions. They can shoot just fine. They have a hard time carrying lots of gear, so they are not suitable for long range patrolling. They can help the men by keeping watch, and helping to defend the base from attack.

True.
Sad that there is NO safe place for her or other women. It was the same way during Sadaam Hussein's regime. [That's when we were over there.] What a monster he was. His own people HANGED him.

[cloudmountain]

I am not for women in combat in stable and civilized countries. However, if they are fighting for their homes, if the choice is between fighting vs. gang rapes/be-headings/sexual slavery/children being be-headed/forced conversion to the pedophile religion, then by all means fight like there is no tomorrow!!

Somehow I seriously doubt that all 1.6 billion Muslims in the world can be lumped together, men or women.
And somehow I doubt that HALF of those 1.6 billion Muslims, being female, face gang rapes and beheadings every day. That is hype.

MOST Muslims are NOT Arabs. The country with the MOST Muslims is Indonesia, so the most populated Muslim country is ASIAN.
Pakistan, India and the near east are also stuffed with Muslims. Pakistan IS a Muslim country, NO Arabs there, no Christians, just Pakistanis, who are of Indian stock...Indians who turned away from Hinduism to TO Islam.

BTW, "Pak" means "pure" in Urdu and "stan" means "country," so Pakistan calls itself the "land of the pure."

If there is STILL any slavery around, my guess is that it might still be in parts of Africa, but that's only a guess.

[cloudmountain]

Well, since that country was blessed with ALL THE PETROLEUM in the world (and natural gas, which comes up WITH the petroleum) and WE NEED that petroleum, my guess is that those petroleum producing countries will have enough money to take care of themselves and educate their young for several generations.

God apparently put those once-poverty-stricken Bedouins there in the middle of the planet's largest petroleum and natural gas fields...and thereby gave them what the West needs. Odd, isn't it?
I'm not one to second-guess our good Lord. He had His reasons.

[ROCKLOBSTER]

Pakistan calls itself the "land of the pure."

And I call them a bunch of Pakirs.

[PapaBear3625]

True enough. They simply DO NOT have the population to produce enough engineers and such to EVER be on their own.

Their population of 27 million is over three times the population of Israel, a country with no shortage of engineers.

I've encountered Saudis when I worked for a defense contractor. Their real problem is that they don't have enough intelligent, industrious people to make a go of it.

[cloudmountain]

Their population of 27 million is over three times the population of Israel, a country with no shortage of engineers.

MOST probably, there are only half that number of Saudis. They have many, many foreigners there to do what they can't do.
We had IRISH nurses in our clinics, American women doctors, Filippino nannies for the Saudi children, Filippino male workers for EVERYTHING (since they work VERY cheap), Pakistani and Indian clerks and so on.

Also, from what we were told about the Jewish Israelis, by tour guides, Jews generally are very educated. When we went to Israel in 2011 we saw a "typical" job employment place. There were THREE windows for Israeli applicants:
1. Bachelor of Science
2. Masters of Science
3. Ph. D. Doctor of Philosophy

There were NO windows for "entry level" jobs. The Palestinians do the dirty work: store clerks, toilet cleaners, farming, etc.
Our group (Steve Ray, "Footsteps of God" tour) had a Palestinian, Roman Catholic Arab as our tour guide for Bethlehem. Very strange that last one. His English was excellent.

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I've encountered Saudis when I worked for a defense contractor. Their real problem is that they don't have enough intelligent, industrious people to make a go of it.

No doubt you are correct. They marry first cousins. That keeps the land and money "all in the family." The Farsis from India do that too. They were ORIGINALLY from Persia but when Persia became Muslim, that VERY close intermarriage became an anathema to them. In their Farsi world ONLY monther-son marriages were forbidden. ALL OTHERS were acceptable! Yes, brothers and sisters married as did fathers and daughters. Lord have mercy.

BTW, Indian culture IS accepting of almost any kind of marriage arrangement. They consider that a plus in their culture. They STILL allow the marriage that is anathema to the rest of the planet, since the Muslim Persians KICKED THEM OUT OF INDIA.

Also, the Saudis don't have our "Puritan work ethic" or our Western work ethic. Their ideal afternoon is to spend it with, for example, a group of men who sit around drinking tea and discussing the world.
One afternoon I encountered my boss and his same-aged co-workers doing this and they kept saying the word "sayyareet." Afterwards, I asked my boss what that was all about, since they all seemed unhappy about it, whatever it was.
He said that they were bemoaning the fact that their 18-year-old sons didn't want to work or go to school. All they wanted to do was to drive around in their cars (sayyareet).
I told him that many of OUR 18-year-olds wanted that same thing. Please, no flames here. It was just an opinion of mine.

The Saudi women do the same thing, get together, drink tea and discuss the world among themselves. Matriarchs arrange all the marriages and that is a most important task. They discuss THAT at length, I'm sure.

However, as Zuben Mehta, the Indian Farsi and world famous concert master said a long time ago, when you DO have that too-close intermarriage you occasionally DO "come up with a genius, like me." Direct quote from him.

[MeatshieldActual]

“Those women grew up wearing the “black bag” and so did ALL their females relatives and friends”

Kurdish Women generally don’t wear burqhas, hijabs, or niqabs. The general Muslim oppression of women is totally foreign to the Kurds.

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The Kurds, by majority, will NEVER willingly live under Sharia, and by majority have ALWAYS fought the Islamic political ideology from spreading among the Kurds at least. For them, it’s an abomination. — http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3217608/posts?page=26#26

[cloudmountain]

I understand that. I WAS referring to the Muslim women I saw in the Arab world...and I know that Turks aren’t Arabs. They and the Persians always made that very clear to Westerners. I did live and work over there five years.