Posted on 10/16/2014 9:49:32 AM PDT by xzins
Not an issue. However, so, you’re saying only Christians hold these jobs? You sound like someone stuck in the 1800s.
And do some Christians who have other beliefs get to impose them on the general public when they hold the public office because we’re a Christian nation?
Are you saying those in these jobs don’t have to follow case law?
Please clarify for this old “liberal.” LOL.
The requirement for the job is that you must have no religious objections to a practice that has been rejected by America’s major religions for thousands and thousands of years.
It’s not like this guy just came up with this objection trying to be cutsy. It is not just the law that changed, but the entire CULTURE was just changed.
Exactly.
when you solve the problem of major changes and stop them, give me a call.
when you can make all laws and case decisions coincide with Christianity, we will have a national holiday.
Until then people have to follow the law, resist, resign, get fired, change the law.
Fantasizing about the way it’s supposed to be won’t get it done.
Sodom was very DEMOCRATIC..
MY Way -OR- ASSUME THE POSITION..
Good thing you weren't there to tell the Founders to "follow the laws".
Two issues with your muslim concern.
1. If Muslims were a majority in a particular community, then I imagine the culture would be a reflection of that majority. As it is, the culture is Christian, so the law is a contradiction within the culture.
2. You seem to think that a Muslim in office would also be forced to violate his belief in not marrying homosexuals, and that he would be threatened with his job. They would find an accommodation; a magistrate who will do the contract. That is what they should do here in order not to violate this man’s free expression. It would then be a non issue. I think the ruling against obamacare in favor of Hobby Lobby said that the least restrictive means must be taken and that the government must have an overwhelming interest not to make reasonable accommodations.
The constitution ALREADY exists, ML. The article 6, 1st amendment, and 14th amendment already exist. There is no fantasy involved here.
There isn’t even a problem here that cannot be easily resolved.
You’re preaching to the choir. I voted for prop 8. Not the first time the courts overruled a proposition.
You’re making up the stuff about what I believe. You’re spitting in the wind.
You won’t answer the issue about what’s the magistrate supposed to do. I posted the options.
Your comments are nonsensical. Of course the founders followed the law, after they passed it and then they also followed the USSC.
What’s your answer.
so what is the answer? What should this magistrate rio when faced with a court decision?
What is ‘rio’? (Not trying to be cute. Don’t know it.)
can you not think of laws which are not already on the books which are not Christian? Abortion, divorce, birth control,
The state or county can accommodate whatever they want. Don’t have a problem with it, but if there is only one person in a small jurisdiction, then what?
If all the clerks and magistrates in a state resigned the state would have them replaced in a short time.
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sorry auto-text
Blame it On Rio lol
There is no requirement that an unwilling person perform an abortion or give out birth control at the loss of the job. So far as divorce is concerned, there is no such thing as a required divorce ‘ceremony’. In fact, this could be solved simply by doing away with the ‘pronouncement in public’, and having it simply be a paperwork shuffle.
Ceremonies are really the domain of the personal.
Not at all. You are telling people they should follow laws that haven't been passed. The people voted for traditional marriage. A tyrannical government struck down the will of the people and you're telling them suck it up and obey the tyrants. This guys answer was No.
Of course the founders followed the law,
They told King George to pi** up a rope. Where have you been?
The employee “follow the law?” When we have lefty tyrants and lefty judges that consistently ignore it? The employee should respect this garbage law as much as Holder respects the Constitution.
The rule of law is dead in America, anyway. It’s time folks at the lower rungs play by the same rules as our elitist socialist overlords.
You’re spinning and struggling.
ministerial duties require christian employees to perform various duties which include signing people into a public hospital, change names at the court house etc. A good Christian would be repulsed by having to perform those duties.
You took a narrow approach with your examples.
Nurses are required to assist at abortions in some clinics and hospitals, so they either don’t take the job or transfer.
What should the magistrate do about the gay marriage example? Would;d appreciate an answer specific to the car in point? I gave my answer several times.
He should petition the court for an accommodation. I would recommend there be a provision for: (a) a roster of those willing, and (b) civilian contractees for this type of event if there happens to be no available magistrate, and (c) the end of ceremonies with a pronouncement. No need for them when the issue is the signatures on the paper. I regularly solemnize marriages. The issues is not the ceremony. I could have them go over the falls in a barrel while holding hands and singing a covenant to each other, BUT the issue will be the signatures.
We did it all the time in the military for religious reasons. If one faith group was scheduled for duty on one of their holy days, then they could ask for an accommodation. The scheduler would find another to take that duty who did not have that issue. (Obviously, this is different in a war zone, but no one can claim that not having a pronouncement is a life-threatening situation.)
Prayers up for this magistrate.
Case law IS law.
The PEOPLE voted. Not at issue. The courts RULED. now what?
The founders followed the law they set for the US and then the court cases which followed. You can’t be that dense as to have miss that point earlier. Are you just looking for a fight?
We piss and moan here everyday about the illegal stub]ff OB does. Some republican members do the same almost weekly. So what is being done. You can yell tyranny all you want. The courts are moving and you’re on the side of the road yelling.
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