UN Gun Grab Enters New And Dangerous Phase

Townhall.com ^ | October 15, 2014 | Bob Barr

[hardspunned]

Once obama or the next democratic president replaces a pro 2nd amendment justice the court will be flipped anti gun. What could stop the court from rubber stamping a clearly unconstitutional executive order banning say, semi automatic rifles?

[from occupied ga]

First, Im not a blowhard,

Of course you are. All talk and nothing else.

[Cboldt]

-- This country is governed by the consent of the people. --

Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed ...

Governments exist, period. The truism in the Declaration of Independence, relating to consent of the governed, pertains to "just" powers, not all powers.

I submit that the notions of "just powers" and "consent of the governed" have become bastardized , like much of the constitution. The government and courts (but I repeat myself) point to the vote, and equate it to consent. The logic goes something like this -- If everybody has the right to vote, then the government is one operated by consent of the governed. By implication, as long as consent is there, the people find the government action to be legitimate, or just.

The people aren't quite as dense as their government pretends: 19% Think Federal Government Has Consent of the Governed - April 2014.

I personally think the federal government operates so far outside of its constitutional boundaries, that it is reasonable to view it as mostly illegitimate.

[556x45]

You dont know that. As I said, enjoy your chains. You deserve them!

[556x45]

Thanks for posting! Perhaps some on this forum could learn from it.

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

Ted Cruz has the popular standing to declare that such treaties, signed or not, are invalid and should be declared “abrogated” (formally revoked) by the United States.

This would be done by a vote of the US senate, and affirmed to the UN by the Republican POTUS.

There are any number of “sub-treaties” that presidents have joined, pretending they aren’t “important” enough to be affirmed by the senate, and this broom should sweep them away as well.

Cruz should announced this, because by doing so it will get “a place on the stove” of future senate business.

[lentulusgracchus]

Incorrect. Signing a self-evident piece of garbage, if it is a “treaty”, has genuine legal implications. Clinton used treaties to handcuff conservatives repeatedly in the ‘90’s — Bob Bar should know, he was in Congress and watched Krinton do it.

[lentulusgracchus]

Worse, evidence keeps surfacing that ObamaJarrettAyersDohrn is building a Red Army of Holder’s People using reformatory and other Yute programs, and enrolling as many Prog constituencies in the Armed Forces as possible. His ultimate goal you can guess at.

[maddog55]

We disagree. Treaties can not override the US Constitution even if the Senate did ratify it. What the current president “thinks” he can do and actually do are two different things and how congress reacts is the same way but the Constitution has specific requirements for treaties.

[minnesota_bound]

obama had no trouble sending 2,000 automatic weapons to the drug cartels in Mexico. The terrorists received their weapons from the democrats thru Libya. Gee I hope the UN can stop the democrat party....

[SgtHooper]

We don’t give one ratsa$$ what the UN does or what obligations Obola thinks he can commit the US to internationally. The Constitution rules. Period!