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1 posted on 10/15/2014 5:09:19 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne
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To: Patton@Bastogne

The government has no dominion over religious freedom period. The idea that nonprofit status disappears because a pastor speaks out on political issues is crazy and tyrannical.


105 posted on 10/15/2014 5:21:02 PM PDT by Maelstorm (America wasn't founded with the battle cry of "Give me Liberty or cut me a government check!".)
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The problem with your argument is that discussing homosexuality in the context of God's law within the Church IS NOT POLITICAL SPEECH, despite some left-wing nutjobs attempts to make it such.

Any Church who receives a subpoena should refuse to comply and force the issue to the Supreme Court.

Now, to your larger point about Churches and POLITICAL speech, as in endorsing candidates, speaking out against others behind the pulpit I'm in FULL AGREEMENT with you that any church who wishes to do so should jettison their tax exempt status and have at it! (I've held that position for decades, btw. Silencing the churches via tax exempt status has done alot of damage to morality in this country, IMO.)

108 posted on 10/15/2014 6:41:16 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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The government cannot tax the exercise of religious freedom. That is why churches are tax exempt.

A church is a congregation of believers who gather together to worship and contribute from their already taxed income to pay for their expenses they incur as a church.

Do you really want the government to be able to tax Christians for exercising their right of freedom of religion?


109 posted on 10/15/2014 6:41:23 PM PDT by CrosscutSaw
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irs=feds
subpoenas- state
even with your wacko theory the state or city does not have jurisdiction


112 posted on 10/15/2014 6:50:08 PM PDT by rolling_stone (1984)
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the IRS 501-C3 "federal contract" is fascist

Nazis had laws, regulations and rule to, they were evil. this is no different.

122 posted on 10/16/2014 9:04:11 AM PDT by inpajamas (Texas Akbar!!!!!!!)
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In the immortal words of those revered philosophers, Shawn Spencer and Burton Guster:

“Suck it!”


123 posted on 10/16/2014 9:13:06 AM PDT by tnlibertarian
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To: Patton@Bastogne

With all due respect I think you’re wrong.

Refer to pages 3 and 5 of the pamphlet you linked to. Basically it says there two points to consider:

1. A church can’t promote a specific candidate for office. This isn’t relevant here. In addition however, they can instruct their members about the teachings of the church and urge them to vote accordingly. For example, urging its members to not vote for pro choice candidates. They just can’t mention them by name.

2. A church can’t “devote a substantial part of their activities to
attempting to influence legislation”. This is the relevant portion in this case. The fact of the matter is most legitimate churches don’t spend the majority of their time attempting to influence legislation. Indeed, the churches in the Houston area I’m sure aren’t doing this. And haven’t done this.

There is a “test” provided on page 5 to examine this in more detail. However it’s on a case by case basis. Again though, even if the IRS were to peruse this action against the churches in question (and this is the salient point too, the IRS is the only one who can prosecute on such grounds, not local governments) they would have to show these churches attempted to influence legislation substantially as compared to their other activities. So at least over 50% of their time devoted to influencing legislation. Anything less would not be “substantial” by any reasonable definition.

I doubt those churches spend more than 50% of their time attempting to influence specific pieces of legislation. So their tax exempt status doesn’t prevent them from fighting against thus one ordinance.


127 posted on 10/16/2014 5:29:03 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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Religion and the 1st Amendment can choose any political stance they want.

FU-Fags!

135 posted on 10/16/2014 6:15:27 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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I don’t think mayors have the right to prosecute anyone.


145 posted on 10/16/2014 7:35:42 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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You are wrong, sir.

The laws passed by Congress that established these IR regulations were and are violations of the 1st Amendment, which forbids Congress from passing any law that does what those laws, in effective, do.

We are not obligated to obey laws and regulations that are violations of the U. S. Constitution. In such cases, we should never wait for a USSC decision to take that stance. This particular case is such an obvious violation that it should not even be in question.


153 posted on 10/18/2014 7:32:12 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God!)
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