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The Secret U.S. Casualties of Iraq’s Abandoned Chemical Weapons
NYTimes ^ | 10/14/14 | C. J. CHIVERS

Posted on 10/14/2014 8:07:35 PM PDT by ironman

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To: stranger and pilgrim

If I recall, Saddam was reportedly seeking yellowcake. I do realize that a CIA agent took it on himself to personally inspect every square inch of the nation in question with a time machine to ensure that was not happening, but for some reason, I never bought his story that it was not being sought.

[Either that or he thought that people would tell him the truth if he simply asked.]


61 posted on 10/15/2014 6:36:33 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("Collapse the system." -- Cloward, Piven, and President Ebola.)
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To: RaceBannon

Thx for quotes.


62 posted on 10/15/2014 7:56:03 AM PDT by what's up
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To: Justa

Another way to look at this:

Obola is done. Between ISIL, Obola, Enterovirus, and the global economy going into a tailspin, what better time to air the dirty laundry than during a midterm election about three weeks prior. By the time the election hits, there will be at least 100 cases in the US, and new countries developing outbreaks, and nobody will be talking about it.

They’ve been cultivating this story for a while. The NYT gets to reclaim its creds as an institution of journalism while minimizing the real damage to the Left. I mean, what else can you do to the left that they haven’t already done themselves?

If the legislative shoe were on the other foot, and Romney was President, and the Congress was Republican, the state-run media would literally look like a cage of angry spider monkeys (flinging their own feces at anyone that got within 100 yards of their cage). It would be endless, shrill, and probably violent. There would be marches.

This is the perfect time to air this out. There is almost nobody left that is going to care about this anymore.


63 posted on 10/15/2014 8:04:00 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Intolerant in NJ; piasa
I think of two main problems:
1) Democrats pressing lies claiming proof of a negative (Bush lied; no WMDs) when there was clear evidence of the positive (excused because the found amounts weren't obviously significant), so any people believing and voting in accord with the lies, and
2) Bush stifling everybody in ways that can only be understood as handing over power to the Democrats.

HF

64 posted on 10/15/2014 8:05:44 AM PDT by holden
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To: ironman

The articl complains the military doctors were duplicitous.
Well duh,,, government care for yah.

Funny how they attach everything to global warming but cannot comment on Obamacare and military care similarities.


65 posted on 10/15/2014 8:24:29 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: holden

The article still lies.

The articles spins this as Bush was weong, there was no chemical program,mjust rusting stockpiles of thousands of rounds prior 1991.

Horsesht.

This covers it well for Russia.

Oh no, no nuke program, but only plenty of nukes around.

Wth, hypocrits.


66 posted on 10/15/2014 8:26:50 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: kalee

Bttt


67 posted on 10/15/2014 8:58:50 AM PDT by kalee
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To: Gene Eric

That could be true. I don’t remember exactly, and after years of the MSM and the rest of the Democrat Party plus a few lost souls on the Right working the subject over, who could be blamed for not remembering the initial statement.


68 posted on 10/15/2014 9:06:10 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama and the Left are maggots feeding off the flesh of the United States.)
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To: ArtDodger
There was a report in Iraq's Kurdish press yesterday with photos of fighters being brought in covered in whitish blisters - mustard? ISIS is apparently using the stuff with abandon.

Now that they have overrun al Muthana they could probably have anything.

Also, found this old report :

JULY 31, 2002 : (WASHINGTON POST REPORTS THAT THE CIA FOUND IRAQI WEAPONS LAB —— see BLUE NILE) The Washington Post runs a report (Reality is uncertainty,” by Joby Warrick, Washington Post , 31 July 2002) suggesting that the CIA has found a laboratory called Talhaddy, or “Challenge” on the west bank of the Tigris River, employing a team of 85 scientists working on a viral strain code-named Blue Nile. Detail sound similar to Ebola Virus, a lethal hemorrahagic disease. —— Iraq- Scotsman Says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world’s population, nuclear bomb withing 3 years,” The Scotsman Dossier- SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ,” by Westminster Editor

69 posted on 10/15/2014 9:22:11 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Yep. And a guy named JAck Shaw had some interesting stuff to sa about that and the Russians.


70 posted on 10/15/2014 9:23:44 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: piasa

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/oct/28/20041028-122637-6257r/?page=all#pagebreak

Bush never made a big deal about it. He either approved or had a motivation to just let it go because it wasn’t actually a big deal to him, or had knowledge that there wasn’t really anything to it.
“Now we have to invade Syria to get the WMDs that were moved there” might have been politically and militarily counter productive to what he was trying to do in Iraq?

Freegards


71 posted on 10/15/2014 9:44:12 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: ironman

Seems to me that the Slimes was at the forefront of the “Bush lied” business.

This story seems to indicate that it was the Slimes that lied.

Not that they’d ever come out and actually admit it.


72 posted on 10/15/2014 10:11:23 AM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: Ransomed

I wondered if the US gave Russia time to get the stuff loaded up and out of there on purpose. The Russians didn’t really want to have Saddam use them and likely decided to diffuse the situation by taking them before Saddam could try.
There were reports later that the US and Russian program to
desgtrroy their own WMD fell behind... maybe because they were destroying someone else’s too?


73 posted on 10/15/2014 10:13:00 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Justa

1) they were still banned, and 2) they are quite distint from normal warheads. they existed to be filled with chemical weapons.they dont really work as conventional warheads unless you want to disperse liquid exlosives without setting them off.

That isn’t precisely the same as finding the chemicals themselves, but not far from it in the context.


74 posted on 10/15/2014 10:38:09 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Billthedrill

Do you recall the 2004 elections where in October, with the IEA, they suddenly began blasting the Bush administration for not securing parts of Iraqs nuclear weapons program during the invasion(most emphatically, the MDX and RDX which the IEA had informed us was housed in a nonspecific warehouse somewhere in a 100+ square mile military zone)...and then after the election went right back to pretending it never existed?


75 posted on 10/15/2014 10:49:14 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: piasa

I don’t know. Bottom line is if there were WMDs on those convoys Bush decided to not make a big deal about them to the public for some reason. I can’t think of any reasons that don’t involve some sort of cooperation with evil, even if it was to avoid what was perceived to be a greater evil.

Freegards


76 posted on 10/15/2014 10:50:52 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: stranger and pilgrim

That was not the Bush administration’s position. There were 30 some basis given for going to war, of which WMDs were only directly involved in a few. The Administration stated that they were not an imminent threat (the “not” was edited out of many editorials for more than a year), but that in concert with other things that were going on that we couldn’t afford to wait until they were a direct threat.

As for making the case that there were never chemical weapons...you’re half right. It wasn’t flatly stated that there were never chemical weapons, but it was implied that Bush made it all up...so strongly that there are probably a hundred million Americans that believe Iraq never had them.


77 posted on 10/15/2014 11:02:27 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: stranger and pilgrim

oh, and Bush’s description was that they had “programs” and could “reconstitute”. We found all kinds of programs and support facilities for production and deployment.


78 posted on 10/15/2014 11:05:47 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: stranger and pilgrim

well, if you listened, he used almost exactly the same figures as the Clinton SecDefense used in January 1998 when he was making the talk-show rounds...speaking of materials we knew they had which were unaccounted for.

old”or new, it was still dangerous stuff that had been kept hidden and not turned over.”There was also information on acquisition of new materials and devices.


79 posted on 10/15/2014 11:13:43 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: stranger and pilgrim

oh, and we found plenty of shiny new warheads for deployment of chemical weapons, just in those cases without the accompanying chemicals.


80 posted on 10/15/2014 11:15:52 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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