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Straight Talk About An Article V Convention
Noisy Room ^ | Oct 6, 2014 | Publius Huldah

Posted on 10/06/2014 12:35:51 PM PDT by Whenifhow

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To: Whenifhow

That’s right, they could do just about anything they wanted to, but I am with Mark on this.

If we do nothing, we have lost the country anyway.

It’s time to correct some past mistakes as well as insure our future.

If we can’t do that for fear of the left or what the left might be able to do at a C-Convention Then we can do nothing, which is what we are doing right now..or can do right now..

I lieu of that, I think succession and another civil war would be the logical progression. Our venerable Constitution has been eroded over time. The words may be the same but the interpretation has changed and is changing still. Just as Stalin once said about Democracy, “it’s not the votes that count, it’s the people who count the votes.”

In this same way, the powers granted by the Constitution to the States and the Federal Government have essentially flipped with most of the power wielded by the Feds. It is our courts who have assisted with that, aided by the executive branch, and our Congress.

How do you restore that balance? If the Congress can’t or won’t do it for political reasons, then the people must try to rebalance the government Constitutionally and to reset the interpretations in writing, with a eye toward preventing it from occurring again.

Doing so should throw all the precedents out, starting the slate clean. If that does not work...then we can burn it..

Just my two cents...


61 posted on 10/06/2014 8:50:55 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Whenifhow
This could have been an opportunity to show your ability to provide the arguments for Article V and win the debate but instead, there have been attacks that demonstrate questionable tactics.

Save your righteous indignation. You're late to the game.

Those of us whom you are chastising have been debating this for some time now. Search FR from Google using relevant terms and see for yourself.

It is you who is noise right now.

-PJ

62 posted on 10/06/2014 9:38:10 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Whenifhow; C210N
<>Will you be prepared with arguments when faced with an opponent’s viewpoint?<>

Yes, and I look forward to it. Huldah’s misrepresentation of our constitutional and earlier history is especially irksome. As C210N said, the same opponents trot out the same JBS errors every time.

Fear not. Mark Levin told us last week that he has teamed up with other brilliant and talented men to take get our movement back on track. It is our last hope.

63 posted on 10/07/2014 1:27:01 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: Publius
We absolutely need a battery of amendments!

For safer borders too.

And for a new elected body whose only job is to initiate spending cuts and mandate debates if congress tries to veto them.

For more state power regarding education and law enforcement innovations. [Maybe give congress veto power after sufficient debates rake over establishment congress critters.]

For a mandatory debate system that puts nutty professors and activist judges on the hot plate.

And YES — for banning any redefinitions of MARRIAGE! [God willing, I'll flesh out these ideas more after this important election.]

64 posted on 10/07/2014 4:53:57 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("Ebol-ee will collapse the system." Is that what President Ebola is thinking?)
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To: C210N

I used to be somewhat intrigued by the JBS publications, then the Art V discussion started and I have been enlightened to their lunacy.


65 posted on 10/07/2014 5:58:09 AM PDT by CSM
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To: CSM

Part of the problem might be their complete Sanity when it comes to Common Core - I participated in one of their events discussing it, and it was on the money. Similar with 2A issues. Unreal how they jump the tracks with Art-V... COMPLETELY. I can’t fathom how they can revere the Constitution, but go off the deep end in scorn using the very document they revere to rein-in the leviathan.


66 posted on 10/07/2014 6:07:28 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Whenifhow

I call it like it is. I’m sorry if that offends some people. I have been following Mark Levin for over 10 years now but it is not a matter of believing in Mark Levin - it is a matter of believing in the rule of law. Mark would agree with that. It is not about someone - it is about our constitution. Are you prepared to get involved at the state level to support the Article V movement? I am prepared with the facts but when someone uses scare tactics in lieu of the facts, I have to call it for what it is. And that, my friend, is what Mark Levin would do.


67 posted on 10/07/2014 6:34:12 AM PDT by katwoman5779
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To: katwoman5779

it is a matter of believing in the rule of law.
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absolutely - this is what Mark Levin stands for

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I am prepared with the facts but when someone uses scare tactics in lieu of the facts, but when someone uses scare tactics
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Glad you are prepared and there were no “scare tactics used” simply by posting an article and inviting discussion.


68 posted on 10/07/2014 7:00:12 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Whenifhow

That’s your opinion and we are all entitled to our own opinions, right?


69 posted on 10/07/2014 7:27:17 AM PDT by katwoman5779
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To: Publius

Nice to see somebody’s got it right.

FR is a freedom-loving, big-government-hating, conservative site right?

If so many on this site are confused about the fight for freedom, what kind of trouble is America in?


70 posted on 10/07/2014 8:02:11 AM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate over unjust law & government in the forum of ideas)
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To: GraceG
The longer we wait on #2. the more likely #3 then #4 become....

Amen to that. .

71 posted on 10/07/2014 10:22:20 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Whenifhow; Jacquerie; Publius; GraceG
Most FReepers are aware of these links, but I post anyway for review and for people new to Article V. It is our responsibility to make Article V the most understood aspect of the US Constitution.

The longer we wait, the bigger the risk of secession or outright civil war. Spread the word and pass them on to your email list.

Convention of States - Alabama Way to go Alabama! A good introduction.

'Convention of states' to rein in government? Another great summary explanation.

The Case for an Article V. Convention. Fantastic explanation of Article V convention to the Mass State Legislature.

I would recommend watching the above three videos first and then:

Convention of States Lots of information here.

Article V Project to Restore Liberty Another good source.

A Summary of Mark Levin’s Proposed Amendments by Jacquerie

Chapter 1 of Mark Levin’s Book, The Liberty Amendments

Mark Levin, Constitution Article V, and the Liberty Amendments

Rep. Bill Taylor introduces a Convention of States

Citizens for Self Governance: Convention of States Project – a hub of 15 youtube videos on the Convention of States

Mark Levin Article V, Liberty Amendments youtube video hub

Three hour video of C-Span interview with Mark Levin

Amendments Convention Links

Gaining Steam? Nearly 100 Lawmakers Descend on Mount Vernon to Talk Convention of States The beginning.

Convention to Propose Amendments to the United States Constitution

The Other Way to Amend the Constitution: The Article V Constitutional Convention Amendment Process

Friends of Article V Convention Links

Ulysses at the Mast: Democracy, Federalism, and the Sirens' Song of the Seventeenth Amendment by Jay Bybee. Repeal the 17th!

Article V Convention: Path of Least Resistance by Robert Berry

The Final Constitutional Option

Article V Handbook - for State Legislators An important resource.

State Legislators Article V Caucus State Legislators, Join up at this site!

Send this list of links to your State Representatives and Senators here: Contact your State Legislators.

Sample Letter to state Representatives regarding the Convention of States Project and also, Talking Points. Both from Here.

Excellent Article V Letter to a State Assemblyman by Jacquerie

. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke. Let’s all work together to get this going.

72 posted on 10/07/2014 10:23:05 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: All
From the Convention of States site:

Dear [State Legislator],

As a resident of your district, I urge you to take action to restore meaningful constitutional limits on the federal government.

Article V of the U.S. Constitution gives state legislatures the power to act as a final check on the abuse of power in Washington, D.C. Under Article V, state legislatures have authority to hold a limited convention that can propose much-needed amendments to our Constitution. Once 34 states pass a resolution applying for such a convention, Congress must call one.

I support the approach adopted by the Convention of States Project and I want to see our state become one of the necessary 34 states to pass their model application.

A copy of the Convention of States model resolution is available by clicking here.

A copy of the Convention of States handbook, which briefly describes the Article V process and the Convention of States Project strategy, is available here.

Please support the Convention of States Project and consider sponsoring the resolution in our state.

Thank you for your time and your service to the people of our district.

Respectfully, [Your Name]

Please take a minute and send this to your state legislators. Their contact info here, State Legislative Websites

73 posted on 10/07/2014 11:00:45 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Whenifhow
Will you be prepared with arguments when faced with an opponent’s viewpoint?

They ignore the Constitution now so how will new amendments be enforced?

We currently have a flexable Constitution since we allow Federal Judges to set new precedent and the Supreme Court refuses to review their unconstitutional decisions, thereby effectively amending the Constitution by fiat.

If we learned anything from the last election it is that no one gives a shite anymore, whether they won because the people are now socialist or by fraud no longer matters, because the GOPe has said nothing.

We will have a change, I believe only as a result of war or a monetary collapse. I used to have some hope that Governors would actually exercise the power of their offices but now see that as wishful thinking.

Pray for our Republic while you still can.

74 posted on 10/07/2014 11:52:27 AM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: Whenifhow

And whatever tehy come up with will need to be ratified.


75 posted on 10/07/2014 1:45:32 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: drypowder
"I do not believe I am alone in believing an Article V Con Con will not restore anything but will only serve to further erode our liberties and hand even more power to the tyrant class."
And doing nothing will accomplish what?
"I know, 2/3 of states have to ratify any changes to the constitution."
No, 3/4ths. That's 38 out of 50.
"Consider, the oligarchs are not about to relinquish back to the people any of their ill gotten tyrannical advances."
The left is already holding their "Con-Con". What do you propose to do about it?
76 posted on 10/07/2014 1:57:17 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: C210N
"The problem with resorting to violence before exhausting peaceful approaches is that the violent approach will not have enough followers to get anywhere."
You are preaching to the choir, sir.
77 posted on 10/07/2014 2:03:28 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: Da Bilge Troll

If only there weren’t all these sour notes.


78 posted on 10/07/2014 2:16:30 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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