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To: roamer_1
Most of the country doesn't want gay marriage

Probably still true. If you mean would a referendum pass in most states.

However, 10 years ago such a referendum would have been defeated by 75%+. Today by 51%. Five years from now it would probably pass in most states.

The turnaround on this issue is the fastest I've ever seen. What I'm talking about is the trend , not necessarily the present snapshot in time. When the trend is that you are rapidly losing support, and there is good evidence that trend is increasing, not slowing down, then your cause is toast.

What this shows to me is that the majority of those opposed were opposed because they were going along with what they saw as "normal." Now that "normal" has been redefined to the opposite, they're equally happy to go along with that.

74 posted on 10/04/2014 11:40:47 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins most of the battles. Reality wins ALL the wars.)
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To: Sherman Logan

“However, 10 years ago such a referendum would have been defeated by 75%+. Today by 51%. Five years from now it would probably pass in most states.”

10 years ago it would have passed by more than 75% in some places, in some places much less. We know because we have the actual voting results. In 5 years there would still be states that at least would pass it in the mid 50%-low 60% ranges or more. Of course there are states right now that would never be able to pass it again if another vote was held. These are the states that only passed them in the 50-60% ranges 10 years or so ago.

Yes, it moved very, very fast. Frame an issue as a ‘civil right’ in an era of the 24 hour news cycle and mass media and that’s what you get. Many conservatives haven’t realized it yet, their still celebrating the ‘massive’ blow when NC passed its amendment by 61% in 2012. But that was the same amount that CA passed prop. 22 by in 2000. 8 years later CA’s prop. 8 passed by 52% in 2008. So CA lost 9% on the issue in 8 years among voters. The NC of 2012 was where the CA of 2000 was on the issue.

FReegards


84 posted on 10/04/2014 12:19:41 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Sherman Logan
The turnaround on this issue is the fastest I've ever seen. What I'm talking about is the trend , not necessarily the present snapshot in time. When the trend is that you are rapidly losing support, and there is good evidence that trend is increasing, not slowing down, then your cause is toast.

Then we as a country are already lost, and we might as well give up and let it happen. We are a nation of laws, not men. And the erosion of those laws has progressed to a point now that the very laws that were a hedge of protection have become a tool of our demise - No longer do they protect the sheep, but rather the predators. And that, FRiend, I lay more at the feet of the Republicans, than any other. Not only did they let it happen, but it is now plain that they colluded with those who would destroy us, and continue to.

What this shows to me is that the majority of those opposed were opposed because they were going along with what they saw as "normal." Now that "normal" has been redefined to the opposite, they're equally happy to go along with that.

You ain't seen nothing yet - The law is the fence. The fence is torn down. The sheep love the green grass on the other side of the fence, all ignoring the predators that walk among them (because sheep, especially young sheep, are stupid). But now that the fence is gone those who were standing in the breaches are overwhelmed, and now the predators walk within the pasture.

If good men do not fight, the decline will continue exponentially. within 5 years the battle in the courts will be about pederasty, then pedophilia, then beastiality...

Rather than cede, as you have suggested, the more desperate it becomes, the more we must fight.

86 posted on 10/04/2014 12:43:51 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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