Top doc: 'Several people were exposed,' more will be infected by Dallas Ebola case

Washington Examiner ^ | Oct 1st, 2014 | By Paul Bedard

[Mariner]

A former Food and Drug Administration chief scientist and top infectious disease specialist said that several people were exposed to the Ebola virus by the unidentified patient in Dallas, America’s first case, and it’s likely that many more will be infected.

Dr. Jesse L. Goodman, now a professor of medicine at Georgetown University Medical Center, said while the nation shouldn’t panic, it’s best to prepare for the worst.

“It is quite appropriate to be concerned on many fronts,” he said in a statement provided to Secrets. “First, it is a tragedy for the patient and family and, as well, a stress to contacts, health care workers and the community at large. Second, it appears several people were exposed before the individual was placed in isolation, and it is quite possible that one or more of his contacts will be infected,” he added.

What’s more, he conceded that it was “only a matter of time” that the swift-killing African virus arrived in the U.S.

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The game of Ebola Roulette continues...

*click* spin *click* spin *click* spin…BANG!

Eeeee-bolllll-aaaaaa ping!

Bring Out Your Dead

We’re gonna need

a bigger cart!

Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.

The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.

So far the false positive rate is 100%.

At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.

*sigh* Such is life, and death...

[MeneMeneTekelUpharsin]

President Ebola. Because ruining America's economy is just not enough to get back at Whitey.

ROFL. Good one.

[MeneMeneTekelUpharsin]

Any child that got infected by an individual like that, was a person that had been written off by the government as someone not worthy of protecting. THAT makes me furious.

Made some strong statements myself. Getting flamed. What is it going to take to cause the nation to wake up, rise up and flush these people down the toilet for what they are doing?

[Jim Noble]

Nothing has changed, and I’m sure it’s gotten worse over the years.

I contacted CDC for the first time on business in 1974. Once David Sencer was fired over the Jerry Ford swine flu shot, the politicians started taking over, and the rapid deterioration, especially in the past ten years, has been very sad.

[GOPJ]

Over four million people live in Liberia - what are the odds another Liberian will figure out he can get world class free medical care for the price of a plane ticket to the United States?

[CorporateStepsister]

Oh the irony; so many years of medical school and all that equipment and the nitwits still have no clue about the basics.

[LastDayz]

“What is it going to take to cause the nation to wake up, rise up and flush these people down the toilet for what they are doing?”

Bears repeating on a tape loop, a ring tone, whatever means necessary to get it stuck in one’s mind that we as a nation are in extreme danger.

By all outward appearances, practically no one (in a position to make a significant difference) gives a flip.

From the airlines that keep flying into and out of hot zones despite the obvious dangers to not only the passengers and flight crew as well as whomever may come in contact with them to the CDC and the illustrious leader of the once very free US of A which by the way should be on this like stink on poo implementing containment protocols.

This (among other recent events) is pure insanity and if I might add diabolical.

Can you say MEGA EPIC FAIL or SUCCESS (obviously dependent on your perspective as well as objective)

Where is that Lost In Space robot flailing his arms about while wailing DANGER... DANGER... DANGER clip when I need it?

[FamiliarFace]

***Europe doesn’t have it, neither does Asia or Australia as far as I know.***

I’ve heard that it is in Europe, but that TPTB don’t want it known, because it would hurt their tourism industry. Makes sense to me.

[DoughtyOne]

Well, that’s my thought on it once it’s here.

Zero tolerance! You go beyond that and it just gets worse exponentially.

[DoughtyOne]

What angers me, as late as a couple of days ago they had idiots going on television stating EBOLA couldn’t be spread if a carrier was asymptomatic. If it’s in the blood stream, it is transmittable.

Since it is true that Ebola is not contagious until a person is symptomatic, why does it anger you when experts provide that information?

You may find comfort in this fairy tale, but that's still all it is, a fairly tale.  What are symptoms derived from?  They are derived from infection in the blood.  This infection is carried to the cells and within time symptoms present.

Once the Ebola virus is present in human bodily fluids, other people who somehow are exposed to those bodily fluids will become infected.  It makes no sense whatsoever to think that ebola present in patient one, which would progress from asymptomatic to symptomatic merely from the presence, would not go through that progression in patient two if the bodily fluids were introduced into their blood.

You can convince yourself this isn't rational if you like.  I certainly won't be joining you in that belief.

For this reason, I consider it a lie when they state that no infection can be transmitted before a patient is symptomatic.  Yes, it can.  What is true is that the infection cannot be transmitted from blood sores until the patient is symptomatic, presenting blood sores.

How do you expect a virus to leave someone's blood in order to infect someone else? Do infectious agents have tiny airplanes or something? There are many bloodborne infections that are not contagious at all, many of them endemic to the US. You will never catch dengue, malaria, or chikungunya from another person--all are bloodborne diseases, and spread by mosquitoes.

If these people leave human bodily fluids around, then yes a cross infection can take place.

Bodily fluids carrying the infection can obviously infect someone exposed to them.

Expelling bodily fluids is one of the symptoms. An asymptomatic person does not vomiting or have diarrhea; once they start doing that, they are symptomatic, by definition. If we care to anthropomorphize the virus, we can say that it makes people vomit in order to find new hosts.

What happens if an infected person is cut, sneazes, coughhs, spits, or transmits bodily fluids in another manner?  Are these a symptom?  No.  The fact is that if another person's skin has becompromsed by a cut or scrape, then this human bodily fluid can be introduced into their blood stream.

This is the same sort of lie they told about AIDS in the early days.

What kind of lie was supposedly told? AIDS is far more difficult to catch than Ebola, and is spread because it manages to get from the blood into the semen. A few years ago, I had to go into a hospital room of a man who had just died of AIDS. Although I came within a few feet of him, I did not catch AIDS. That's because blood-borne viruses do not fly.

There are a myriad of lies they told about AIDS.  The biggest was that it wasn't primarily a homosexual disease.  In fact it was.

They said the general population had nothing to fear, the blood supply was safe.  It wasn't.

They said that you can't catch the disease if you practice safe sex, and follow a few other basic guidelines.  Actually, you could.  20% plus of the population has no idea how they got the disease.

They said you have no reason to fear kids with AIDS in the classroom.  As a matter of fact there are a number of ways the disease could be transmitted child to child.

1. A kid with AIDS could put a pencil in their mouth, loading it with saliva.  The could leave it on their desk.  A child comes buy and picks up the pencil.  Within a few minutes they unthinkingly put that pencil in their mouth.  Child two has a patch of raw gums.  The AIDS virus is introduced to the mouth and absorbed.

2. A kids with AIDS has an injury on the playground.  His bodily fluids are left there.  A second child comes along with a cut on a finger and picks up a rock with blood on it.

3. I child sneezes or coughs, spraying bodily fluids in the direction of a child with his/her mouth open.  They have a gum problem and the infection is absorbed.

I'm sure there are other ways this could happen also, the transmission from child to child.

It's all rather deniable until you realize that 20% of the known cases of AIDS have no definable source as to how the people were infected.  They were living a safe lifestyle.  They weren't participating in dangerous sex.  They hadn't gotten blood transfusions.  They hadn't hung out around AIDS patients in a high risk setting.

They lied.  If you wish to believe them fine.  200,000 people have proven you wrong.

[DoughtyOne]

You’ve probably seen me kindof talk down supposed high risk situations. It has been my perception that a number of times there’s far too much hype. This is one where I am leery of poor management.

I am also leery of the ‘big lies’ appearing again.

Much of the AIDS problem stemmed from Reagan’s Surgeon General, himself a homosexual. C Everett Koop drove home the idea a condom would prevent infection. The questions were, were condoms specifically designed to withstand the rigors of homosexual sex? Could these condoms fail? And last but far from least, did he foresee condoms being disregarded in homosexual acts?

The whole campaign to safeguard the spread of AIDS was written in such a manner as to take any responsibility off homosexuals for engaging in risky sex. Koop couldn’t face the reality that a group of which he was a member, could be a severe risk to public health, and almost exclusively so.

Bath houses where a person could have multiple sex partners nightly, or even more over a weekend, were considered safe enough to keep open.

If you think of how a sexually transmitted disease spreads exponentially, it’s shocking to what lengths this surgeon general ignored known facts to allow AIDS to profligate almost without any regard to public safety.

01 Person one has sex with five people.

02 Five people have sex with five people.

03 Twenty-five people have sex with five people.

04 One hundred and twenty-five people have sex with five people.

05 Six hundred people have sex with five people

06 Three thousand people have sex with five people.

07 Fifteen thousand people have sex with five people.

08 Seventy-five thousand people have sex with five people.

09 Four hundred and fifty thousand people have sex with five people.

10 Two million four hundred and fifty thousand people have sex with five people.

At the end of level ten, you’ve got twelve million people infected.

This was Koop’s idea of how to safeguard the public. It was a betrayal of massive proportions.

It should also be noted, that in the mid 1980s homosexuals were readily admitting the most active in their communities would party at bath houses all weekend, and have far more than five partners in just one weekend.

This was okay with C Everet Koop, the CDC, and the NIH. Local community health departments went a long with it.

In San Francisco, there was upwards of a 50% infection rate in homosexual individuals.

Look, even if you’re a homosexual, and I would say especially if you were homosexual, look at how their community was betrayed by C Everet Koop.

He may have been trying to keep them from being stigmatized, but in truth he was facilitating the continuation of very dangerous practices, which resulted in a massive calamity on homosexuals.

It was unfair to the straight community. It was particularly unfair to the homosexual community.

Homosexuals were allowed to continue donating blood for quite a while. Imagine that. It was a known blood communicated disease and they didn’t safeguard the blood supply.

This mind-set was so prevalent that health care workers were not informed what type of patient they were dealing with. Physicians were not informed that their patients had HIV before surgeries.

One prominent physician resigned and wrote a book on the subject.

I do not want to see this type of thing get repeated.

[exDemMom]

I happen to believe what the scientists who actually have spent years studying Ebola, both in the lab and in the field during past outbreaks, have to say about it. I refuse to engage in fear-mongering or hysterics. I strongly believe that people should be fully informed with accurate information, and I have seen no indication that anything the CDC or any other health agency has said is incorrect.

If that is “finding comfort in fairy tails”, then I am guilty as charged.

I have endeavored to present accurate information and to correct fallacies, and will continue to do so.

[DoughtyOne]

You can continue to do whatever you like.

Just be aware that some of us watched the AIDS situation unfold and know exactly what tactics they’ve used in the past.

Those were experts back then too. And they flat out lied across the board.

I am warning people not to be too trusting. If you think that’s a bad thing to warn against, then you’ve already revealed yourself to be unaware of what has taken place in the past, and biased against a safety first approach now.

I have not advised folks to do anything radical here have I.

THINK FOR YOURSELVES FOLKS!

[greeneyes]

How can this be? We were assured that it couldn't happen here. In less than a week, we have 100 people or more exposed from just one case? And when we posted our doubts others hopped onto the threads to ridicule and tell us how stupid and uninformed to think this should be a concern - and Malaria kills more people than Ebola.

And what has happened to the guy in Nebraska, and weren't there several other cities with people being watched and in hospital isolation? Protocols and precautions not being followed. Vomit left and not cleaned up immediately. Even then apparently not taking it serious enough to have proper hazmat clean up etc. etc.

It's a MADHOUSE. And it's Maddening. And still the one says no need to restrict flights from the region, and zero, zip screening at airports for flights arriving. But not to worry the experts at ridicule will soon be here telling you that we are all just panicking without reason cause it's really hard to catch yada yada. Well I'm not panicked, but I do think it would be better err on the side of caution.

I'll tell you what - the airlines better get their act together, because if any people on the planes come down with Ebola, there's going to be a lot of lawsuits, and repeating like robots that they followed CDC guidelines ain't gonna cut it with juries. JMHO

[greeneyes]

I’m never quite as certain it can’t be spread by coughing as the government folks are. Someone coughs, and fluids are spread, those too can become infection sources.
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Now see that’s how they have confused people. It can be spread with coughing and sneezing, if you are close enough to get a droplet of that bodily fluid. However that is not the same thing as the technical definition of airborne.

And it’s not airborne according to them, but what most people think of as airborne such as coughing and sneezing is considered airborne to the general public.

[greeneyes]

The number of children is now up to 8 exposed.

[greeneyes]

Well, that’s just social justice, doncha know? Can’t have it be endemic in Africa, gotta make sure other countries especially USA(cause it’s racist) get to share the pain.

[greeneyes]

And don’t forget the little boy that “fooled” Ebola. He apparently had a mild case, and was asymptomatic for weeks, but still tested positive for the virus, and had to stay in the hospital.

I just don’t know that people always realize that they have symptoms, and just think maybe they are tired until they get more symptoms.

[DoughtyOne]

I understand what you’re saying, but I do agree with them until it’s proven otherwise.

I believe they don’t consider it airborne, because normal exhalation does not send contaminated air around where anyone breathing that air could become infected..., that we know of. And I think that’s a reasoned belief for now. Absolutely nothing is in concrete as far as I am concerned though.

Fluids expelled would still have to enter the body trough a compromised skin area, not the lungs.

[DoughtyOne]

I agree with the comments regarding a low grade infection.

Once you’re infected though, you’re infected. IMO, you certainly can pass off infected bodily fluids, even if not symptomatic.

This seems reasoned to me. If someone can come up with a reason why it’s not true, I’m willing to listen.

I will be frank though, I will always consider this situation to be a certain threat. It would be very hard for someone to convince me otherwise.