Posted on 09/23/2014 11:19:19 AM PDT by BurningOak
A leading reformist Cardinal close to Pope Francis has hinted at the possibility of a reinterpretation of the Roman Catholic Church’s blanket ban on artificial contraception.
Cardinal Walter Kasper said it was “the responsibility of the parents” to decide how many children they should have.
He also said that so-called natural family planning, which is promoted by the Church as an alternative to contraception, also has an “artificial” element.
His comments in an interview with The Tablet, the Catholic weekly, are likely to reopen debate about one of the most contentious areas of Catholic teaching just weeks before a special global gathering of bishops in Rome to discuss the Church’s position on family matters.
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
It will be an interesting theological dance, from past theological statements, with a new “O.K.” on (some) contraception & continued prescriptions against abortion.
I think most practicing Roman Catholics have already danced that dance in practice, so I am not expecting a mountain of broad opposition from any majority Roman Catholic churchgoers.
I’ll record that as a vote for Chemical Castration For Everybody.
What?
Even your joke doesn’t work, as birth control definitely doesn’t lead to multiplication.
This would be consistent with the Pope’s liberation theology in continuing to break the Ten Commandments from the bottom up.
Before I was married almost 40 years ago, an older woman who was a close friend of my family and staunchly Catholic gave me some advice. It was the same advice her mother had given her some 50 years before...”don’t let the priest tell you how many kids to have.”
BS.
Second point first: it isn’t the Church’s business to police what happens behind closed doors. God has that covered.
As for the first point, it is ludicrous to suggest that the collapse in family size over the past 50 years is the result of a sudden rush to chemical castration for women needing it for health concerns. The real reason isn’t a secret and isn’t hard to understand. Most people are selfish and live for the present, heedless of the future. They’ll (maybe) figure it out years from now, lonely, with social security bankrupt and Uncle Sam slipping the needle in.
People make up all kinds of fairy tales to justify bad acts they're intent on committing. That woman was no staunch Catholic. She wasn't a friend either.
Abstinence has its virtues, of course. Just that this option simply does not occur to most folks, at least not bilaterally.
Been a lot of unilateral declarations of abstinence, though. And that almost always leads to some degree of tenseness, or even open hostility.
There is a biological imperative to reproduce, of course, but managing it is an orderly fashion has long been a failing of mankind as a whole. So, the messy resolutions to the problem of “too many” children continue to plague us.
Looks like another “messy” solution is about to rear its ugly head.
The fact that the hormonal contraceptives have an abortive potential is discussed in the paper circulated at AAPLOG's 1998 midwinter meeting.(1) "Most (virtually all) literature dealing with hormonal contraception ascribes a three-fold action to these agents. 1. inhibition of ovulation, 2. inhibition of sperm transport, and 3. production of a "hostile endometrium," which presumably prevents or disrupts implantation of the developing baby if the first two mechanisms fail.
From American Life League
Your kids are mistaken. It causes the uteran wall to not allow an umbilical cord to form to the 100% full chromosomed human being created by choice during intercourse....so the complete cell cannot get nutrients to live and dies....like me when I am not given food or water by my mom. Murder of a tiniest human, literally. Google.
The pews are full of sinners. The only sinless people are in the environmental groups. That people lack faith does not make them un-catholic, but Jesus said Trust Him. Birth control says you don’t trust Him but you do like to wink a hello at mass on sundays.
You trust ME, Jesus, I know what I am doing....just watch....DOH!
You mean she told you not to tell the priest all of your sins in confession. Say Hi when you meet her in hell will you?
A sinner in heaven is one to pleads for mercy while still alive, not the clever.
>But then you probably consider that to be a good thing.
I’m not talking about America or other civilized countries. Africa and other bunny rabbit cesspools is where they need to reduce procreation.
That cardinal said when and how much sex is the responsibility of the parents. Shocking.
NFP like any tool can be used for good or selfishness. When we were commanded to be fruitful and multiply, did God know man would be capable of abortions and birth control and become so selfish....,yep. Trust in God. He knows what He is telling you,,,You.
Just when we became so good at killing adults in war.....we became so good at killing our kids too. Overpopulation fears are for the faithlesd not having faith in the selfish sinfulness of themselves! The Church trusts in God, not man, not even pope man.
As a ‘secondary action’ the morning after pill makes the lining of the uterus inhospitable for the implantation of the fertilized egg. This is listed in the method of action of the drug. It is touted as a secondary method for the pill to work, in that if ovulation has already taken place, (or takes place immediately after the pill is taken) although it has no action to prevent fertilization, it may prevent implantation. Listing this as a secondary action indicates there is more than a remote possibility of it happening. Is it a 50% chance? 30%? 10%? I don’t know for sure, but if it is high enough for the manufacturers to advertise it as a backup method of action, it is high enough for me to consider it to be an abortifacient along with the classic IUD and the new ones like mirena, etc.
I believe this puts the morning-after pill in the group with abortifacients, not contraceptives. Contraceptive pills have a primary action of preventing ovulation and may possibly affect implantation, so I don’t consider oral contraceptives to be abortifactients. As far as I have found, regular oral contraceptives are not advertised as having the secondary effect of preventing implantation, as it is not a consistent and reliable result which would help the pills prevent pregnancy better. I know that many disagree since there is not a zero possibility of preventing implantation even with these drugs, but I believe the chance of this happening is much less than with the morning-after pill.
I don’t make these distinctions to advocate using contraception, only to make the distinction for those who may not be aware that the morning-after pill is abortifacient.
Just my 2 cents
O2
Personal opinion is nice
The theologians, pope John Paul II specifically and Paul VI have portrayed the question substantively in human are vitae and theology of the body
They’ll give personal opinion a bit of gravitas if you can read them and still think playing God is ok
They believe through educated study and reason that abortion is the result of birth control
And, hey, abortion came to the culture after and just after BC.
Abortion is birth control. If it’s not what I sit?
Probably misinterpreted, huh?
sola scriptura
Abortion is a horrible thing, but it is not the only horrible thing. An even deeper horror is the disappearance of marriage: we have ceased to be a marriage and family culture. And this is because we have split off sexuality from procreation. I am not saying this "will happen," I am saying this "has happened" and is happening around us now.
More than 50% of all the children born to women under the age of 30, are born out of wedlock --- this is for all races and regions of the country combined. "But what does this have to do with contraception?" you might ask. It has everything to do with it. Contraception has split off sex from its natural context of fertility, man-and-woman bonding for life, marriage, and the careful and loving preparation of a husband and wife for their coming little ones.
So habituated we are to the idea that sex is for adult gratification --- a kind of physical satisfaction perhaps imbued with sentiment, perhaps regularized into settled coupledom for conveniences sake -- that modern "straight" people really have no argument left against open homosexuality, which is organized exactly the same way: as a personally-gratifying practice possibly connected to sentiment but rarely or never connected to baby-having.
Contraceptive couples are heterosexual gays.
And why do the gays (2% of us) have so many straight allies (50+% of us)? Because the straights know it. They don't actually practice natural sex themselves. So why should the gays? Gay Pride is the natural and logical outcome of the contraceptive mentality: the mentality that says, "It's all about consenting adults. It's all about US.
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