Ebola Death Rate 70 Percent, WHO Says in Dire New Forecast

NBC News ^ | September 23, 2014 | Maggie Fox

[Raebie]

World Health Organization researchers issued a dire new forecast for the Ebola epidemic Tuesday, one that sees 20,000 cases by November, much sooner than previous estimates. And 70 percent of patients are dying.

That's a big increase over the previous estimates of a 50 percent fatality rate.

“These data indicate that without drastic improvements in control measures, the numbers of cases of and deaths from Ebola virus disease are expected to continue increasing from hundreds to thousands per week in the coming months,” the WHO Ebola Response Team, led by Dr. Christopher Dye, wrote in a report rushed into print by the New England Journal of Medicine.

[redgolum]

No it is not worth at cheer.

At 95%, it burnt itself out pretty quick. At 70% (which is a bit of a cut off game, lets see how many active cases recover), more people will travel with Ebola and spread it.

If we are not careful, we may be seeing the first modern plague. At 70%, with a million cases, you are talking the end of the societies impacted. Not a hit, not a set back, the end.

10% death rates almost plow civilizations under. Imagine what 70% will mean.

[GOPBiker]

I am not a doctor.

I have had severe food poisoning that I thought was something else and had diarrhea and vomiting for several days.

When I finally went to the DR they gave me 1 bag of saline and told me to drink as much Gatorade as I could. I am sure anything with electrolytes would suffice. I drank gallons of it. I don’t really like it to this day.

This was all it took to put me back right so to answer you directly if I were to get Ebola or have a family member get it I would have them powering down fluids by mouth as much as they could stand.

In the case of severe immediate dehydration IV is the quickest way to get fluids in. Overrun hospitals are a problem.

My understanding of Ebola is that it has an incubation period of several days or a week. If you are in an area where you think it is likely that you may have contact I would start immediately getting fluids in to be fully hydrated when the diarrhea and vomiting starts.

Keep it up. Use vegetable juice or blended foods with some sugar to make them palatable.

Hospitals are necessary but any good doctor will get you out of the hospital as soon as possible because the chance of infection there is higher than anywhere else. If you never have to go so much the better.

That said, IV’s are not rocket science. Bags of saline can be had. Home use is not unheard of.

[GOPBiker]

I looked at your thread. Wow. Anyone interested in this topic should give it thorough read.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3205231/posts

I don’t know why the ‘no sugar’ comment as everything we eat turns to some form of sugar before it can be used in the body.

I get the part about empty calories but we are talking about survival here. Lose weight when you have time and luxury.

[GraceG]

[ I don’t know why the ‘no sugar’ comment as everything we eat turns to some form of sugar before it can be used in the body. ]

I don’t know which area ebola belongs.... the starve a cold, or feed a fever type????

[meadsjn]

OK, let’s take a breath here.
Ebola used to be over 95% death rate. Now in Africa it is a 70% or less death rate.
That is worth a cheer.

Not really. At a 90% fatality rate, the outbreak would burn itself out quickly. That's why the apparent 50% rate up to this point has been so terrifying. Half of those getting infected would not die in three weeks, but would continue to move around and spread the infection for six months, and so on.

The 70% fatality rate that WHO chose to report today is slightly less terrifying than the 50% fatality rate, but will result in wider spread, and subsequently an exponentially higher number of deaths than would a 90% fatality rate.

Gee, with this 50% to 70% fatality rate, it's almost like a more perfect biological weapon.

As far as I know every known Ebola patient that came to the USA has recovered. That is called 100% folks.

I've seen people healed from blindness and lifetime crippling ailments at those summer revivals. No kidding. And people in 127 different towns saw the same people miraculously relieved of their hopeless conditions.

Government is an even greater scam.

[GOPBiker]

I don’t either.

Fever is a symptom of Ebola and so are diarrhea and vomiting.

Dehydration will kill you quickly and dehydration is a result of the Ebola symptoms.

I come down on the side of massive fluids and food that is blended to liquid to speed up digestion by making more particles of food available to the digestive enzymes. Feed often.

On your page the idea of crushed vitamins was really good. All of that kind of enhanced nutrition can be in a glass with blended food.

The whole idea is to give the body what is necessary to fight this off.

[GOPBiker]

I still think it is good that people can survive it.

Those who are infected will know because they get sick. When they are sick they (hopefully) will not be purposeful agents to spread the sickness.

The long incubation period is a problem because of your point but that was there whether we can survive it or not.

If it goes as you say then we will see an adjustment in our society with filter masks, gloves and reduced contact.

Hugs will be something we knew as kids but no more.

The simple reality that we can survive this is a very good thing.

As far as the idea that this is a planned and purposeful problem put on the ‘little people’ to reduce the burgeoning population is troubling.

I think evil of that magnitude will meet an end that the perpetrators will not enjoy.

If you truly witness healing and believe then you know that we can survive this.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[null and void]

Eeeee-bolllll-aaaaaa ping!

Bring Out Your Dead

We’re gonna need

a bigger cart!

Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.

The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.

So far the false positive rate is 100%.

At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.

*sigh* Such is life, and death...

[null and void]

What did I miss at post 5?

[Mom MD]

You are so far off base I don’t even know where to start.....
Lets hope it never arrives here to prove you wrong.

[Smokin' Joe]

You’re Welcome, Alamo-Girl!

[Mom MD]

That works well until you slough the lining of your gut from hemorrhagic fever and can no longer absorb fluids or anything else. This is not just diarrhea and vomiting, it causes key organs to shut down entirely. And you bleed to death internally.... Gatorade doesn’t help that very much. Neither for that matter does IV fluids.

[vetvetdoug]

Supportive therapy and fluids? Anyone else had trouble obtaining 0.9%NACL or D5W? There is a shortage of fluids right now for the average practitioner and hospital. An Ebola outbreak would deplete the already short stocks and 70% fatality rate would be optimism at best.

[SisterK]

incubation is approximately 21 days

[Clay Moore]

“That said, IV’s are not rocket science. Bags of saline can be had. Home use is not unheard of.”

We are using 250mL bags whenever possible or just using saline locks due to shortages of 1L bags. This has been going on for months.

[exDemMom]

I wonder how they arrived at the 70% number. I calculated less than 60%...

[exDemMom]

This report is about Africa where the hopitals are sending people back home because there are no beds. The diet is poor. The family does not have the knowledge. It spreads because they try to help their family member and catch it.

In addition, many of them have malaria or HIV, which weakens them against Ebola. The malaria can be treated, but not the HIV.

[exDemMom]

The Nigerian medicos were well fed and healthy. It still killed roughly half of those who go it.

Even in Nigeria, they did not get top-of-the-line care as Americans get in the US. This survivor tells a fascinating story. Clearly, she received minimal care.

It seems the outbreak has been contained in Nigeria, thank God.

[GOPBiker]

I think we are talking about two different things here.

I think you are talking about the problems after the virus is fully involved and you are deep in the throes of hemorrhagic fever.

What I am talking about is the before, preparing the body to fight off the infection so it never fully takes hold.

I believe that the human body is designed to fight off bacterial and viral invaders. Poor nutrition and dehydration pre-weakens the body so the defenses are less. If you are a doctor as your screen name seems to say then you have seen this yourself.

Use real food, avoid packages and manufactured ‘food’ whenever possible, use water for drinking (as filtered as you can) not manufactured liquids.

In these days of peril it makes sense to have all of your bodies defenses online.