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Gold crashes and is now tarnished for good
Market Watch ^ | 22 September 2014 | Jeff Reeves

Posted on 09/22/2014 7:50:29 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

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To: RegulatorCountry

Normally I would think that the rising dollar would kill the price of oil and kill drilling that’s raising US production. But the Saudis and the Russians are so dependent on high oil prices to pay for their patronage systems that I think they’ll shave production to keep prices up.

And it will work for awhile.

But US oil production will go up by 1 million barrels a day through 2019 if oil prices stay above +-85 dollars a barrel or so.

So eventually OPEC and the Russian will not be able to shave production.

However, falling oil prices have always stimulated worldwide demand for oil.

So there is a virtual pattern here if you can intuit it that’s going to lead to a decades long surge in prosperity. The inverse of what happened in the 1970’s.


41 posted on 09/22/2014 9:32:24 PM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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To: muir_redwoods

I just bought some silver eagles. It’s nice to hold something with intrinsic value in your hands.
And I may need to use them for bartering and melting down for werewolf bullets when the zombie apocalypse begins.
At a little under $25 each, taxes and shipping, that’s not too bad. They’re pretty, too, and George lets me pet ‘em.


42 posted on 09/22/2014 9:36:35 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Could it have anything to do with recent news stories of countries not being able to produce their stored gold stockpiles?

-PJ

43 posted on 09/22/2014 9:38:30 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
<sarc>Well I guess Germany will get all of their bullion from the N.Y. Fed now.</sarc>
44 posted on 09/22/2014 9:41:35 PM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Those guys on TV are still telling me to buy gold. Are they lying?


45 posted on 09/22/2014 10:01:57 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

It is interesting the way people analyze markets on only one side. I agree that if the US dollar continues to get stronger, that’s bad news for gold.

However, it would be bad news for stocks as well. All these multi-nationals will be less able to export as much due to how expensive a strong US dollar would make their goods, and whenever they translate their profits from their operations overseas, they will translate into fewer US dollars thanks to the strong US dollar...hence lower earnings!

So, again, if the US dollar continues its strength, it’s bad for gold, but also bad for the US stock market.


46 posted on 09/22/2014 10:06:13 PM PDT by winner3000
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Gold doesn’t tarnish. That’s silver and brass.


47 posted on 09/22/2014 10:26:13 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Depending on how thing go, it will either go back up or it will go down further.

Classic truism!

48 posted on 09/22/2014 10:37:29 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great -- until it happens to YOU.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

that’s a beautiful picture for anyone who’se income increases with falling fuel prices. And likely that picture will get prettier.


49 posted on 09/22/2014 10:42:48 PM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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To: winner3000

However, it would be bad news for stocks as well.
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but foreign money will just pour into US assets including stock because the rising dollar


50 posted on 09/22/2014 10:45:23 PM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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To: old curmudgeon
you are looking at obumbler smoke and mirrors

Just as a trivial pursuit, do you think more smoke, or more mirrors?

Since mirrors usually reflect something that is actually real, I say "more smoke" -- since smoke is entirely ephemeral, apparently substantial, then suddenly gone, like a fart in the wind. The present economic numbers do not reflect reality at all. They paint an imaginary picture. They resemble smoke a lot.

51 posted on 09/22/2014 10:45:46 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great -- until it happens to YOU.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
If you bought $10,000 worth of gold on 11-1-2000 it would be worth $46,249.57 today.

If the S does HTF, which we all expect it to do, gold and silver will be recognized mediums of exchange. Especially US coins and Eagles.

It may well be that trying to buy food, medicine or gas with US cash would be akin to trying to use Atlantic City Casino money.

52 posted on 09/22/2014 10:52:49 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

for 3+ years I’ve watched gold tank as the US market opens... and jump up after the close.

this has been the result of direct manipulation of the gold market to help minimize the damage on the dollar. they were originally doing this by dumping gold onto the market in the morning... but they eventually ran out of other peoples money (gold).

sometime last year I believe they started buying the gold at the end of the day and selling it at a loss the next morning. it doesn’t really matter... as the money was just printed anyhow

3 days ago the big story was how the super rich are looking to move their money into gold bars. which means... they need us to dump the gold back onto the market so they can snap it up.

so what’s this story worth? nothing. they’re trying to scare up more gold on the market


53 posted on 09/22/2014 10:59:07 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: old curmudgeon

I agree. The numbers aren’t misleading, they are a criminal fabrication.


54 posted on 09/22/2014 11:03:30 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: Eagles6

“If the S does HTF, which we all expect it to do, gold and silver will be recognized mediums of exchange. Especially US coins and Eagles.”

According to Bosnian war/siege survivor Selco this is not correct. Same for Ferfal a survivor of the first Argentine economic collapse. According to them ammo and food were more valuable than gold.


55 posted on 09/22/2014 11:16:00 PM PDT by Justa
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To: Justa

I am buying if it goes <$1000/oz.


56 posted on 09/22/2014 11:19:21 PM PDT by catfish1957 (Everything I needed to know about Islam was written on 11 Sep 2001)
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To: Justa
I don't doubt it in those extreme circumstances. Same with medicine. You can't eat or shoot gold.

I don't see where either has talked much about monetary exchange in their situations. For a long time the US dollar was the "gold standard" and could be used from Australia to Zimbabwe. What if it's worthless tomorrow?

57 posted on 09/22/2014 11:26:27 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: Eagles6

If it’s worthless than I’d prefer to have the stuff I’d need it for stored up. Even if the country declared bankruptcy and restructured debt the dollar would still be used. Now it might lose comparable value against what it formerly was but that can also be hedged with market investments. Imo in any situation where gold would be necessary for commerce the USG would first declare it illegal as tender to protect the dollar.


58 posted on 09/22/2014 11:32:53 PM PDT by Justa
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To: Justa
Yeah and there's no black market economy.

Feel free to prepare as you wish. Definitley food, guns, ammo, rural land, meds, fuel, power.

59 posted on 09/22/2014 11:43:46 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: Jet Jaguar
This man clearly, concisely and factually responds to every issue raised in the article: Larry Parks Interviews Chris Powell, Secretary/Treasurer Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee, GATA

Your ping list will probably appreciate it if you would pass it along to them.

60 posted on 09/23/2014 12:11:16 AM PDT by Zakeet (Obama: fail ... deny ... blame ... golf ... distract ... lie ... repeat)
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