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To: IsraelBeach

A pox on those who’d try to claim it never happened.


2 posted on 09/17/2014 7:00:27 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

A pox on those who’d try to claim it never happened.


Amen. Bless those who perished under the hands of the evil ones.

And, bless those souls who revolted....

....Between 100 and 120 prisoners survived the revolt, and 60 of those survived the Holocaust.


5 posted on 09/17/2014 7:06:56 PM PDT by Jane Long ("And when thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek")
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To: Still Thinking
A pox on those who’d try to claim it never happened.

Interesting you should post that immediately. Nothing in this article brings up that subject.

A holocaust happened, certainly. HOW it happened is subject to discussion and examination. Shooting, hanging, starvation, work exhaustion and disease accounts for staggering numbers. But the numbers themselves have been shown to have been inflated and massaged many times. And besides Jews, there were millions and millions of Slavic people who were murdered one way or another who are never mentioned in these accounts. All we ever hear about are the six million Jews, and not the millions of others who were murdered in these terrible places.

But poison gas? Poison gas has inescapable technical problems - as in if the murderer does it wrong, they kill themselves, too. In vehicles it was done with the exhaust sometimes, because the vehicles could be sealed off. But I have my doubts about the classic Zyklon B in the fake shower rooms. NONE of the supposed extermination chambers were properly sealed and would have poisoned everyone in the camp if they were used for poison gas. Plus commissaries and medical stations were literally next door to these buildings. Also, the gas makes a stain on concrete that is not present inside the supposed killing chambers, where it should be coated with it after millions of deaths. As well, it would have taken a huge amount of time to air the gas safely after each extermination session, and the numbers don't support that timeframe. The only places we've found where we know Zyklon B was used is in small disinfectant rooms for clothes, to try to stop epidemics from happening. And as for the ovens, the size of the ash dumps from them simply don't support their number claims - nor the known time it takes to cremate bodies, nor explain why so much fuel would have been used during wartime for this compared to the needs of the German Army.

Yet history also conclusively shows that Nazi concentration camps were indeed mass killing machines, and millions died in them of shooting, hanging, starvation, work exhaustion and disease. Those who deny this are either fools or enemies of civilization. But the specific mechanism of using poison gas for mass death chambers is an unverified addition to the many hideous realities of these death camps, IMO, that has not withstood careful scrutiny over time and which invoke many contradictions.

What many people don't know is that some of these same death camps also had things like art clubs, a swimming pool for inmates, a band that played regular concerts by and for the inmates, and medical centers for the ill. Not that this made the places a resort - rather, these things make no sense whatsoever under the typical storyline. In fact, they are utterly bizarre. But so were the Nazis. Because besides being totalitarian collectivists and murderers, the Nazis were also a weird black magic cult that followed certain precepts of their own. They'd kill at the drop of a hat, and at the same time help a little old lady across the street if she was the right race and loyalty, or not shoot someone but starve them to death in they were something else. So they were not just insane, but complexly insane, and the world would do well to study that insanity more carefully to pick out the patterns for identification where they spring up somewhere else.

19 posted on 09/17/2014 8:54:06 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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