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Top GOPer says it’s time to dissolve ATF
Washington Times ^ | 9/17/14 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 09/17/2014 1:34:37 PM PDT by Objective Scrutator

A top Republican House member on Wednesday proposed eliminating the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, writing a bill that would freeze all hiring at the troubled agency and require the Justice Department to come up with a plan for transferring its duties to other agencies.

Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr., the Wisconsin Republican who wrote the bill, called it both a chance to streamline government and to clean up an agency that’s been criticized from the right and the left for botched gun-running operations.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; atf; banglist; batf; fastfurious; secondamendment; sensenbrenner; thewisconsin
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To: Objective Scrutator

“I don’t know if his plan is good or not, because having the Justice Deparment transfer the duties would put even more power into the demonic hands of Eric Holder or other evildoers of his ilk. Why not simply eliminate the duties of the ATF entirely, and have all of its employees executed for treason?

A CAPITAL idea! Turn them over to ISIL!


21 posted on 09/17/2014 1:54:06 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: Objective Scrutator

Those faces would Drive a man to Drink.


22 posted on 09/17/2014 1:56:21 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Objective Scrutator

Re your pic: It would have taken a LOT of liquor.


23 posted on 09/17/2014 1:56:53 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Amendment10

ATF is an agency of the executive branch thru the US Treasury. Secret Service is Treasury also.


24 posted on 09/17/2014 1:59:07 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Objective Scrutator; All
More info about "Lips That Touch Liquor ..." picture.
Prohibition Poster: Fact or Fiction?

25 posted on 09/17/2014 1:59:20 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Objective Scrutator

Erection snipers and %ock blockers, the whole lot of them. Coming home to them IS the original “Icewater Challenge.”


26 posted on 09/17/2014 2:01:27 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Objective Scrutator

In Pennsylvania back in the 1990’s then Republican Governor Tom Ridge campaigned on the notion that the agency regulating the environment was not organized properly and he gave it a new name.

It didn’t stop the environmental regulation, just gave it a new name.


27 posted on 09/17/2014 2:06:01 PM PDT by Nextrush (OBAMACARE IS A BAILOUT FOR THE HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY)
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To: Objective Scrutator
Eliminate ATF. Repeal all regulations they have created and laws created to enable them. If there are product recalls due to manufacturing defects, the Consumer Product Safety Commission can add them to their website. The rest of the regulations are just harassment.
28 posted on 09/17/2014 2:06:36 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: blackdog

Since this country is trillions in the hole, I would shut down agencies entirely like OSHA and EPA and let the soverign states deal with those issues. They already have their own agencies.


29 posted on 09/17/2014 2:07:27 PM PDT by Nextrush (OBAMACARE IS A BAILOUT FOR THE HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY)
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To: Nextrush
For that matter, the legislature should stay in their home states, do business on live webcams from their home districts, and email.

The problem with that is the bagmen would have to do 50 times more travel to pay out their bribes.

Really! Technology needs to meet the processes of governing.

30 posted on 09/17/2014 2:14:29 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Objective Scrutator

OK, fair enough -

pass me some whiskey, would ya?

I just want to be sure...


31 posted on 09/17/2014 2:17:28 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Objective Scrutator

Why stop there? How about the EPA, too?

And the Department of Education.

For starters.


32 posted on 09/17/2014 2:19:13 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: blackdog; All
"ATF is an agency of the executive branch thru the US Treasury. Secret Service is Treasury also."

Thanks for note. However, not only is executive branch constitutionally required to faithfully make sure that all laws are faithfully executed as evidenced by Section 3 of Article II, but also consider the following. Regardless of which branch of federal government that ATF belongs to, the Supreme Court has clarified in general that powers not delegated to the federal government expressly via the Constitution are prohibited.

”From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added].” —United States v. Butler, 1936.

Also, regardless what FDR's activist justices wanted everybody to believe about the scope of Congress's Commerce Clause powers when they wrongly decided Wickard v. Filburn in Congress's favor in 1942, the justices wrongly ignored that a previous generation of justices had clarified that the states have never delegated to the feds to the feds to regulate intrastate commerce.

”State inspection laws, health laws, and laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c. are not within the power granted to Congress [emphases added].” —Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

So if the ATF is regulating intrastate commerce in any way, then they have no constitutional authority to do so.

33 posted on 09/17/2014 2:19:59 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: MasterGunner01
There would be a whole less ponds being drained, and drunk agents going the wrong way on interstates after going to strip clubs with GSA credit cards and killing families too.

Each week Decimate every federal agency. That means each week you take one in ten and get rid of them. After nine weeks, keep what's left and give them a useful skill the people need.

34 posted on 09/17/2014 2:20:01 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Amendment10

Thank You for that post and depressing reality. I think you might be my daughter in law school? She is a real facts in law kinda gal. You can’t ask for the salt at our chrismas dinner table without my daughter researching salt distribution accross seating lines and it’s legal case precident.


35 posted on 09/17/2014 2:25:01 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Objective Scrutator

Seeing that pic, I’d think it an incentive to drink...


36 posted on 09/17/2014 2:27:49 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: mosaicwolf

There’s one in Colorado.


37 posted on 09/17/2014 2:33:29 PM PDT by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: Objective Scrutator

That right there is the most effective liquor advertisement I’ve ever seen. No two ways about it!


38 posted on 09/17/2014 2:40:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama and the Left are maggots feeding off the flesh of the United States.)
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To: blackdog; All

I hope that your daughter is studying Supreme Court case opinions written before FDR’s puppet justices nuked the Constitution, sweeping the 10th Amendment under the carpet in order to give corrupt Congress the green light to greatly overstep its constitutionally limited powers.


39 posted on 09/17/2014 2:41:19 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Amendment10
Actually she is in one of the best law schools in the country. She is currently working on a section of the endangered species act in a case being prepared for the USSC in 2015. She has to be familiar with case law which is relevant in over 15,000 pages of rulings by next spring.

When you go to law school you don't get to pick which side of a case you prepare for. She's better than I am. I would be advocating this or that view. She is being a lawyer as required. Down the road she can go after legal issues more aligned with her own thinking and those of her paying clients.

I am a really blessed parent. All my kids are amazing thinkers and fiercely independent. They are certainly my betters.

40 posted on 09/17/2014 2:51:51 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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