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Why would we trust U.S. intelligence about anything, including the lack of an ISIS threat?
http://www.nationaljournal.com ^ | 09/15/2014 | Ron Fournier

Posted on 09/15/2014 3:20:50 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

What is the enduring lesson of the 2003 invasion of Iraq, when the Bush administration overestimated and, in some cases, exaggerated the threat posed by Saddam Hussein? Some say it's to be skeptical of government officials who are making the case for war.

I say the legacy should be skepticism toward government officials, period—all of them. Their hidden agendas can shade the case for peace as well as war, which might explain why there's no consensus among so-called experts about the threat posed today by ISIS.

On a scale of zero to panic, Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, set the dial on apocalypse when he described the Islamic State as having "end-of-days vision." Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel called ISIS "an imminent threat to every interest we have, whether it's in Iraq or anywhere else."

Less alarming were the likes of Rear Adm. John Kirby, who said ISIS did not have "the capability right now to conduct a major attack on the U.S. homeland." National Counterterrorism Center Director Matthew Olson said that "we have no credible information that [ISIS] is planning to attack the United States."

President Obama initially dismissed the Islamic State as a "JV team" that could be "managed," and more recently called ISIS a threat to the United States that must be eradicated.

What should be made of the contradictions? Some people understandably assume that the U.S. government, aided by a compliant media, is overselling the threat. Appearing on CNN's Reliable Source, The Nation's Katrina vanden Heuvel said there is a "trivialization—a tabloidization of news coverage that has infected and affected" the way global news is presented.

According to this school of thought, evidence of a successful propaganda campaign lies in polls showing that 90 percent of Americans consider ISIS a serious threat.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationaljournal.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: dempsey; dhs; hagel; homelandsecurity; intelligence; isis
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1 posted on 09/15/2014 3:20:50 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t find this administration over selling the
threat at all, they’ve just been sitting on it till
it blows up and they can come in and “save” us.


2 posted on 09/15/2014 3:23:40 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Have to agree with Ronnie-boy on this one, at least on the headline. I don’t trust anything FedGov says, regardless of the source.


3 posted on 09/15/2014 3:23:56 PM PDT by clintonh8r (It's possible to love your country and hate your government. I'm proof of it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why does National Review have leftists like this Ron Fournier guy writing for them?


4 posted on 09/15/2014 3:27:15 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan

RE: Why does National Review have leftists like this Ron Fournier guy writing for them?

I mis-typed the source of the article. Sorry. It’s the NATIONAL JOURNAL, not the National Review. I apologize.


5 posted on 09/15/2014 3:28:55 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: clintonh8r

“... I don’t trust anything FedGov says ...”
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I agree.
Nothing that comes from any federal agency is believable.
It is all politically driven and non-factual.
All of it.


6 posted on 09/15/2014 3:29:15 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I see.

You misidentified the source.

You attributed it to National Review in the header.

But it is National Journal.

Why did you do that?


7 posted on 09/15/2014 3:29:24 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: SeekAndFind

This government is not trustworthy.

Never, ever, believe anything they say. The Obama admin is not capable of telling the truth.


8 posted on 09/15/2014 3:30:53 PM PDT by dforest
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To: SeekAndFind

Hit abuse and ask the mods to correct the source.


9 posted on 09/15/2014 3:33:46 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: SeekAndFind
What is the enduring lesson of the 2003 invasion of Iraq, when the Bush administration overestimated and, in some cases, exaggerated the threat posed by Saddam Hussein?

Short memories.

10 posted on 09/15/2014 3:44:49 PM PDT by marron
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To: SeekAndFind

I learned long ago that government agencies always say and do only those things that will increase their budgets and upper management promotion potential.


11 posted on 09/15/2014 3:50:21 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war,and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why does anyone believe all of the hysterics about ISIS? They haven’t changed their tactics for two years. Behead a prisoner they have had for almost all of those two years, and the world goes crazy.


12 posted on 09/15/2014 4:09:19 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Ebola: Death is a lagging indicator.)
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To: SeekAndFind

No problem.

It was a bit confusing, but I just enjoyed reading a feature ther on Dinesh D’Souza.


13 posted on 09/15/2014 4:11:56 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: SeekAndFind

Here is what I make of it.

If ISIS were such a threat, neighboring countries and regions would be panicking and they would be joining together to meet the threat with equal force.

They do not appear to be panicking or joining together.


14 posted on 09/15/2014 4:23:43 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Lorianne; SeekAndFind
If ISIS were such a threat, neighboring countries and regions would be panicking and they would be joining together to meet the threat with equal force.

Who are the neighboring countries?

First, of course, Iraq. They are in a dead panic, of course. Syria, also under attack by these guys. What they are doing in Iraq, all the head chopping stuff, we've been reading about from Syria for quite a while.

The Kurds; they are in the fight against them.

Who else? Turkey. Saudi Arabia. Iran.

Iran has sent people in quietly to stiffen Iraq's forces, I believe.

Turkey and Saudi Arabia, I believe, are backing ISIS. Qatar, for sure. So obviously they aren't going to be panicked about what is happening, they are backing it. The Saudis, at least, are concerned about the "optics", so they are helping to organize the force to help manage ISIS. But part of O's plan is to arm another ISIS. So the concern you are talking about isn't going to come from the Turks or the Saudis

15 posted on 09/15/2014 4:55:27 PM PDT by marron
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Saudia Arabia is on their side. They are funding them.

Turkey I don’t see doing anything but if you have information on that I’d welcome it.

The Kurds are really the only people willing to mount a defense ... but they were already prepared ... as should everyone else in the region have been way before now.


16 posted on 09/15/2014 5:02:15 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: marron
Who are the neighboring countries?

Everyone nearby, as in everyone much much closer than us.

17 posted on 09/15/2014 5:04:45 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Lorianne

I’ve seen it here, that ISIS enters the theater from Turkish soil and their wounded are treated there.

Of course, a Turkish general is supposedly directing the Syrian rebellion, from whence ISIS has sprung. And the Turks have expressly refused to move against ISIS.


18 posted on 09/15/2014 5:07:16 PM PDT by marron
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To: Lorianne
Everyone nearby, as in everyone much much closer than us.

Who are divided between those backing them (Turks, Saudis) and those fighting against them (Iraq, Syria, Kurds, and maybe Iran). So the neighbors are divided between the panicked and the cheering squad.

19 posted on 09/15/2014 5:09:23 PM PDT by marron
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Which is not our problem. Those who are panicked (or should be) should be getting their sh!t together RIGHT NOW. Including Europe.


20 posted on 09/15/2014 5:11:20 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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