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Where Does Rand Stand?
Weekly Standard ^ | 1:40 PM, Sep 13, 2014 | JOHN MCCORMACK

Posted on 09/14/2014 1:25:50 PM PDT by SoConPubbie

On the war against ISIS and droning American citizens, he's not entirely sure anymore.

Manchester, N.H.
Rand Paul's views on war against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria continue to evolve. Speaking to reporters on the campaign trail Friday afternoon, the Kentucky senator didn't rule out supporting the deployment of U.S. combat troops on the ground in Iraq.

"Senator Rubio this week said that combat troops on the ground--American combat troops--could be a possibility if the current strategy doesn't work," one reporter said after a campaign event featuring Paul and New Hampshire senatorial candidate Scott Brown. "Senator Paul, would you support such a move?"

"I think some of it depends on what the events are. So events do change over time," Paul replied. "I'm a stickler for the Constitution, and the Constitution says Congress needs to determine these things." Back in June, Paul wrote in the Wall Street Journal that "we should not put any U.S. troops on the ground in Iraq, unless it is to secure or evacuate U.S. personnel and diplomatic facilities."

Paul also told reporters that it would be legal for the U.S. military to target U.S. citizens with lethal force in Iraq and Syria if they are engaged in battle--a position consistent with his past statements. But Paul declined to say if it would be legal to kill a U.S. citizen and ISIS member who is only plotting a terrorist attack in Iraq and Syria. 

"If you are engaged with battle against the United States, you really do not get due process on the battlefield. If you want to fight against the United States, you’re a target. Already, I think two Americans have been killed," Paul said. hour filibuster with the sole purpose of getting the president to say it's illegal for the government to kill Americans with a drone strike "in a cafe in San Francisco" or anywhere else on American soil.

Earlier this year, Paul objected to the nomination of a judge over the issue. Paul wrote in the New York Times that he couldn't support a nominee without "fully understanding that person’s views concerning the extrajudicial killing of American citizens." 

"Under our Constitution, [Awlaki] should have been tried — in absentia, if necessary — and allowed a legal defense," Paul wrote. "The Obama administration has established a legal justification that applies to every American citizen, whether in Yemen, Germany or Canada."

I asked Paul twice if it would be legal to target a U.S. citizen in Iraq or Syria who was in a similar situation to Awlaki's, but the senator didn't directly answer the question. 

"Let me jump in on that," Scott Brown interjected. "When people are in ISIS, then they’ve left their citizenship at the door."

"I agree with Senator Cruz," said Brown, a former Massachusetts senator, who had just been endorsed that day by Rand Paul. "I’m glad [Senator Cruz] filed the bill that I filed twice already to strip them of that citizenship. They should not be able to hide behind the rights and privileges guaranteed by the Constitution, especially when they’re looking to hurt and kill our citizens."

But what if these Americans are just planning attacks, not immediately fighting? "It doesn’t matter," Brown said. "They’ve left their citizenship at the door."

I asked Paul again if he could answer the question, reminding him of his 13-hour filibuster on the issue, but he was escorted out of the room by his press aides without answering the question. 

This was the second press conference that Paul had abruptly ended on Friday. Earlier that morning, following a New Hampshire GOP unity breakfast in Manchester, Paul acknowledged for the first time that his views about going to war with ISIS have changed. But the senator, apparently displeased with the questions, ended the media availability after just two minutes and six seconds.

"Five years ago, if you asked me about ISIS, I would have said well you don’t need to do anything. So I mean obviously, the events do change your opinion. And your opinion of when a vital interest is being threatened is influenced by, you know, the beheading of two Americans," Paul said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: rand; randpaul

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1 posted on 09/14/2014 1:25:50 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie
I asked Paul twice if it would be legal to target a U.S. citizen in Iraq or Syria who was in a similar situation to Awlaki's, but the senator didn't directly answer the question.

"Let me jump in on that," Scott Brown interjected. "When people are in ISIS, then they’ve left their citizenship at the door."

"I agree with Senator Cruz," said Brown, a former Massachusetts senator, who had just been endorsed that day by Rand Paul. "I’m glad [Senator Cruz] filed the bill that I filed twice already to strip them of that citizenship. They should not be able to hide behind the rights and privileges guaranteed by the Constitution, especially when they’re looking to hurt and kill our citizens."

2 posted on 09/14/2014 1:27:15 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

Rand Paul stands relative to the prevailing wind - or wherever his Daddy tells him to.


3 posted on 09/14/2014 1:33:12 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: SoConPubbie
Like it or not, we're in a war for the future of civilization. I say let's get it on. Rand Paul would just get in the way.

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4 posted on 09/14/2014 1:33:14 PM PDT by JCG (Anti-medical cannabis = ignorance, hysteria, or worse ... [Haven't tried it but intend to.])
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To: SoConPubbie

It all depends.

Where does the crowd he’s speaking to stand?


5 posted on 09/14/2014 1:39:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek ("Moderates" are lying manipulative bottom feeding scum.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Rand stands on sand — understand?


6 posted on 09/14/2014 1:50:04 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Harvey Dent, can we trust him?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsdV--kLoQ)
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To: SoConPubbie

Rand is a loose cannon slewing about the gun deck.


7 posted on 09/14/2014 1:53:30 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: JCG

Like it or not, we’re in a war for the future of civilization. I say let’s get it on.


Yep. Do it when we have the upper hand. One day they’ll really have WMDs and the situation will greatly change.


8 posted on 09/14/2014 1:58:53 PM PDT by boycott
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To: SoConPubbie

In one convoluted way or another, against conservatism.


9 posted on 09/14/2014 2:18:24 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: boycott

Yep, close the borders, expel all the muslims in the US so we can have them all in one place when they are annihilated.


10 posted on 09/14/2014 2:18:39 PM PDT by bobo1 (progressives=commies/fascists)
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To: onedoug
In one convoluted way or another, against conservatism.

At one time he was on the radar, but not anymore. For me, it's Ted or nothing.

11 posted on 09/14/2014 2:23:06 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
For me, it's Ted or nothing.

Me too.

12 posted on 09/14/2014 2:26:56 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: SoConPubbie

13 posted on 09/14/2014 2:27:37 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: SoConPubbie

It depends on the day of the week.


14 posted on 09/14/2014 3:02:10 PM PDT by tennmountainman (True conservatives don't like being rained on by their own party!)
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To: SoConPubbie
Rand's apple didn't fall far from his Dad's tree.

He's a little less nutty...but still nutty enough to scare the h&ll out of folks hoping for a little conservative stability.

15 posted on 09/14/2014 3:12:17 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: SoConPubbie
Where Does Rand Stand?

As a general rule, on his two legs. Beyond that, it is difficult to discern.

16 posted on 09/14/2014 5:43:25 PM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: SoConPubbie

As their backs became straight, their hearts became crooked.


17 posted on 09/14/2014 6:32:43 PM PDT by AceMineral (One day men will beg for chains.)
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To: cripplecreek

Agreed...he tends to alter his view depending on who he is trying to convince. And I think he may have forgotten that there are recording devices and people are actually keeping track of what he is saying.

But I’m not sure even Rand could tell you where he stands on any issue anymore. He’s very confusing to listen to. I think he thinks he’s nuanced.

BS

Crazy, crazy BS.

I think Rand may even be weirder than his father.


18 posted on 09/15/2014 11:52:17 AM PDT by conservaKate ( I grow weary of the goobers in the Republican party. (thanks Chris))
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