Posted on 09/12/2014 4:22:02 AM PDT by Biggirl
Assyrian Christians are standing with Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) after he was booed for his support of Israel by some Middle East Christians gathered in Washington, D.C. Wednesday at an event hosted by an organization called "In Defense Of Christians."
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“Cruz displayed disappointing ignorance of his audience.”
Nope. He knew exactly what was going to happen and did it on purpose. Much harder now to tar him with the usual “anti-Semite” B.S. they target Republicans with. Good for him, I say. Great press.
““F you, Ted, what have they ever done for us?”.”
Well, I’ve personally gotten 17 Coptic Christians out of Egypt (all doctors or family of doctors) via Israel and then to the USA. They stayed at my house and I sponsored them for Visas, etc. Flew them myself and landed a plane in Eqypt, myself. Multiple trips in a Cessna 172, taking a round about route over ocean and places that could have blown me out of they sky at about 3 meters off the ground.
What have you done?
Ooh! Bet you're feeling that burn, aren't you, cdcdawg?
Go back to the Birch Society.
“So Israel is to blame for what the muslims do?”
That’s what you got from my post? If so, bless your heart.
If that’s what you read into my post, then bless your heart.
If that’s what you got from my post, then bless your heart.
What I got from your post is that you’re an idiot, bless your heart.
It wasn’t the time or place for that. I think Cruz is the best hope of the conservative movement within the GOP. Sorry if I kind of, almost, sort of, but not really, touched a 3rd rail.
Nothing Bircher in what I said. Bless your heart.
“What have you done?”
When I can, I send money to relatives, and encourage them to leave. I’m glad you do what you do. I doubt you have stopped to lecture them on their need to support Israel, which was my point. Even if they should, are Christians in the Middle East really a threat to Israel?
Christians in the Middle East are a huge threat to Israel. My bad, I stand corrected. Cruz was right. There, you happy, moron?
I wouldn’t be calling anybody moron if I was you. Since Cruz never said that Christians in the middle east are a huge threat to Israel, yes, I am happy.
Bless your heart.
Since you are now happy, what was Cruz’s point?
If they support Israel, the Muslims will stop killing them?
If they support Israel, Israel will help them?
If they support Israel, the U.S. will help them?
If they support Israel, God will smile upon them?
Let’s hear your brilliant analysis. Pick one, or come up with your own.
“I doubt you have stopped to lecture them on their need to support Israel, which was my point.”
No, but they have been taught since birth that we are demons and are shocked that there is an organized group helping.
“Even if they should, are Christians in the Middle East really a threat to Israel?”
I am not aware I said they were a threat, nor that Senator Cruz said they were a threat. They do, as a group, hold overwhelmingly antisemitic, anti-Israel, beliefs, which is silly because Israel is their natural ally.
This is, fortunately, changing. In Israel, for example, Christian Arabs (in response to being treated like normal humans in Israel compared to everywhere else in the neighborhood) have requested to be considered a separate ethnic group from Muslim Arabs and to be subject to IDF draft. I believe this is final now.
First - keep your condescending “bless your heart” crap to yourself. Saying something you don’t mean is tantamount to lying.
“...Middle East Christians are being slaughtered. It might not be the best time to demand that they support Israel. The United States has done a great deal to aid in the survival of Israel, and virtually nothing to stop the persecution of these Christians...my initial reaction would have been ‘F you, Ted, what have they ever done for us?’. That was not the time, not the place, to lecture about Israel.”
So - since you didn’t intend to imply that it was Israel’s fault that “Middle East Christians are being slaughtered” - what, pray tell, was the reason for using that statement in a defense of their antisemitism? Why am I justified in hating Joe just because Fred gave me a black eye? Why are you wrong to ask me to support Joe when Fred is threatening me?
So the US has given aid to Israel while not doing much to help the plight of these Christians....so that is a good reason for them to hate Israel? I understand that certain wealthy people have been very generous to some people in need. I have a very great financial need at the moment - is it logical for me to hate these needy folks who received help because I didn’t get help?
“...my initial reaction would have been ‘F you, Ted, what have they ever done for us?’” Really? You are that shallow? That venal? You refuse to support anybody who has not done something for you? and you support such an attitude from these so-called Christians? SHAME ON YOU! I see nowhere in the Bible where Christ calls us to love and be kind and pray for those people who have done stuff for us...but nobody else.
Besides, by being a beacon of civilization in that nasty brutish part of the world, Israel has helped Christians in the area immeasurably just by existing. Were it not for Israel, the entire Middle East would be a slaughterhouse filled with Christian blood, with no mediating influence at all.
How many Coptic Christians (and others)have fled barbaric prosecution and slaughter from backward Islamic countries to or through Israel? And you claim Israel has done nothing for those Christians?
Anyone who hates the Jews to the degree that these people expressed - and you seem to support - cannot honestly call themselves Christians.
It would have been easier, more logical, and more honest to admit that you did intend to imply that Israel is responsible for the actions of the muslims...because to deny it makes your original statement even more ludicrous.
My impression is that they are largely not fans of Israel or Jews, but are also not foaming at the mouth to wipe them out, either. They do think that Israel has too much influence. There is some blame placed on Israel for the instability in the region, but I think events have largely superseded those attitudes. That’s a far cry from Islam.
I agree with you that a strong Israel is in their long-term interests, to the extent they have long-term interests that don’t involve evacuation, but they have no ability to help or hurt those prospects. It’s no accident that the only two societies that have prospered in the region are Israel, and Lebanon when it was majority Christian; the two places that don’t have any oil.
I just don’t see anything good that was accomplished by what Senator Cruz did. His support of Israel is not in question, nor is his lack of support amongst American Jews. Nothing was gained on behalf of those suffering populations.
I appreciate your willingness to engage on this on a level apart from “you’re a Bircher”, “you side with the Muslims”, etc ... I honestly don’t see what Cruz was driving at.
“Well, I’ve personally gotten 17 Coptic Christians out of Egypt...”
Thank you for saving Christians and thank Cruz for being a solid Christian standing with Israel.
Considering you do not option to argue differently, I must have been on target.
“First - keep your condescending “bless your heart” crap to yourself. Saying something you don’t mean is tantamount to lying.”
Good grief.
“So - since you didn’t intend to imply that it was Israel’s fault that “Middle East Christians are being slaughtered” - what, pray tell, was the reason for using that statement in a defense of their antisemitism? Why am I justified in hating Joe just because Fred gave me a black eye? Why are you wrong to ask me to support Joe when Fred is threatening me?”
Nowhere did I indicate in any way that Israel is at fault for Christians being slaughtered. Identify where I did, or admit you are wrong. It’s a matter of focus. If Abdul is punching you, it might not be the best time for Ted to lecture you about your lack of love for Chaim. Or, I could be wrong.
“So the US has given aid to Israel while not doing much to help the plight of these Christians....so that is a good reason for them to hate Israel? I understand that certain wealthy people have been very generous to some people in need. I have a very great financial need at the moment - is it logical for me to hate these needy folks who received help because I didn’t get help?”
No, that’s not a good reason for them to hate Israel. Did I say it was? Where? They should not resent Israel. They do. If they didn’t, their plight would be the same. If they all suddenly had a change of heart, nothing would change.
‘“...my initial reaction would have been ‘F you, Ted, what have they ever done for us?’” Really? You are that shallow? That venal? You refuse to support anybody who has not done something for you? and you support such an attitude from these so-called Christians? SHAME ON YOU! I see nowhere in the Bible where Christ calls us to love and be kind and pray for those people who have done stuff for us...but nobody else.”’
The word INITIAL was included for a reason. They need help, not a lecture. Again, when Abdul is punching you, I doubt you want to hear a lecture from Ted about your relationship with Chaim.
“It would have been easier, more logical, and more honest to admit that you did intend to imply that Israel is responsible for the actions of the muslims...because to deny it makes your original statement even more ludicrous.”
That makes no sense at all. Nothing I said could be taken as a construct under which Israel is responsible for the Muslims’ actions. If Abdul is punching you, and Ted starts lecturing you about your lack of love for Chaim, I don’t see how Bob could really say that Chaim caused Abdul to punch you. It seems to me that Abdul punching you is the real issue.
Help me out here:
If they support Israel, will Israel help them?
If they support Israel, will the U.S. help them?
If they support Israel, will the Muslims stop the butchering?
If they support Israel, will God smile upon them? Best chance of the lot.
What was the point?
Against my better judgment, I will “option” to get into this with you. Here goes:
Identify, in this or any other post I have ever made, anything that indicates that I agree with liberals supporting Muslims (or liberals on pretty much anything else).
The field is wide open. Dazzle me with how “on target” you are.
Again - don’t try to climb up on your shetland and pretend it’s a high-horse with your “Good grief”. You know that your “bless your heart” was a simpering condescension - so don’t pretend it was anything else.
The point is that you make no sense. You justify the hate - or at least you chastise Ted for calling for stopping the hate. But without justification.
There were NO Christians in that room being slaughtered while Ted was speaking. Sure, while I’m getting pummeled is not the time for anybody to lecture me about anything - WHEN I’M GETTING PUMMELED. However, in between beatings, it is totally appropriate to talk to me about someone who is in the same fight, and ask for my support. That was the situation.
Please read what I wrote and you copied: “So - since you didn’t intend to imply that it was Israel’s fault...” Why do you keep arguing that you never indicated that Israel was at fault? Read what I wrote again if you are struggling with that question. My assumption was the most reasonable conclusion for one to take from your original post...all of your other explanations make even less sense.
You use the US aid in your argument - the implication being that it is a justification for their actions...you were, after all, defending their actions to some degree. Now you concede it DOESN’T justify their actions...so WHY did you mention it? If it isn’t a statement to support your defense of their behavior, it is just superfluous blather.
“If they all suddenly had a change of heart, nothing would change.”
Read that quote again and see if you can find the paradox within it. Isn’t Christianity all about changing hearts, starting with our own?
Finally, you justify the behavior of these “Christians” by listing a series of “What’s in it for me?” questions on their behalf. Odd.
If they are the Christians they claim to be, their hatred of Israel is a very pertinent topic at a conference entitled with their Christianity. It is probably a more important topic than any other. Christ did not become the conquering prince the Jews wanted Him to be, He preached salvation and love. He was not unaware or unfeeling of their plight under the Romans, He just chose to address the vitally important topic of salvation, forgiveness and love. I’m not equating Cruz with Christ, but that is exactly what he was doing, he was exemplifying Christ by calling their attention to a critically important flaw in their thinking....and he was reviled, as Christ was, for not telling them what they wanted to hear.
You tried, but you failed. There is simply no justification for those who call themselves Christian to hate Jews, or to boo and hiss at those who call for an end to that hate.
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