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Malaysian Jet Over Ukraine Was Downed by ‘High-Energy Objects,’ Dutch Investigators Say
NYT ^ | SEPT. 9, 2014 | ANDREW HIGGINS and NICOLA CLARK

Posted on 09/09/2014 5:58:06 PM PDT by 1rudeboy

BRUSSELS — Eight weeks after a Malaysia Airlines plane disintegrated over eastern Ukraine, killing all 298 people aboard and triggering a frenzy of East-West finger-pointing, investigators, in their first account of the calamity on Tuesday, released evidence consistent with an attack by a surface-to-air missile but shed no clear light on who was responsible.

A preliminary report issued in The Hague by the Dutch Safety Board, which is leading an international effort to get to the bottom of the tragedy, gave some indirect support to assertions by the United States and Ukraine that pro-Russian rebels shot down the aircraft with an SA-11, or Buk, surface-to-air missile.

Its findings also debunked several theories circulated by Russian media and on the Internet, including reports that, moments before the disaster, the pilots of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 reported to air traffic controllers that they were being tailed by a Ukrainian military jet.

The release of the preliminary findings should also calm repeated questions by Russian officials and media in recent weeks about why, after an initial blaze of publicity and accusations, the fate of Flight 17 had lost the West’s attention, a shift of interest they have often presented as evidence of some sort of cover up.

Yet so circumspect and noncommittal was the Dutch report that “everyone will find something here to support their case,” Reed Foster, a defense analyst at IHS Jane’s in London, said. “It is a very vanilla account of a very tragic event.”

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A chart of air traffic in the area presented by the Dutch on Tuesday, however, indicated that what the Russians identified as a Ukrainian military plane was in fact a commercial airliner. The chart featured three commercial airliners near Flight 17 but no military aircraft.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
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Russia Today, and its readers here, is deeply saddened.
1 posted on 09/09/2014 5:58:06 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

But, but, but NEW WORLD ORDER! GEORGE SOROS! ZIONISTS! ILLUMINATI! NAKED PICTURES OF PUTIN!


2 posted on 09/09/2014 6:02:19 PM PDT by BurningOak (Live Free or Die)
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lol, CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS! JOHN MCCAIN! TWA800! SQUIRREL!


3 posted on 09/09/2014 6:04:38 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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Seriously, it is sad that the killers will never be brought to justice. What a messed up time we live in.


4 posted on 09/09/2014 6:09:15 PM PDT by BurningOak (Live Free or Die)
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To: 1rudeboy

Do you mean the squirrel that lives in Debbie Wasserman-Schultz’s hair?


5 posted on 09/09/2014 6:13:36 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Farmer Dean
The one on the right.


6 posted on 09/09/2014 6:17:47 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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The Dutch investigators are to blame... they are totally non-committal in this report and the Dutch King and Prime Minister are continuing to have their relationship with Russia & Putin...


7 posted on 09/09/2014 6:18:41 PM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD (A Realistically Really Real Housewife)
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To: 1rudeboy

Russia will get off scott free.


8 posted on 09/09/2014 6:25:17 PM PDT by dalebert
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Careful, your going to ruffle some Putin lovers feathers.


9 posted on 09/09/2014 6:33:15 PM PDT by reefdiver (The fool says there is no God. And the bigger fools sees direct evidence and rages against it.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Have you seen the photographs of the wreckage that seem to show damage from 20 mm or 30 mm cannon fore, NOT a missile explosion?


10 posted on 09/09/2014 7:05:18 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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No, I don’t frequent conspiracy websites. 9/11 Truthers and people seeing chemtrails instead of clouds make me question the future of humanity.


11 posted on 09/09/2014 7:21:10 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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It looks like it took considerable incoming cannon fire, with one round skimming along the top of the wing, from an angle of attack slightly above and behind the aircraft. Also there was explosive residue INSIDE the cabin, it appears. That could explain the absence of any voice recording of the attack. The pilots were dead before they could say anything.


12 posted on 09/09/2014 7:33:13 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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It looks like it took considerable incoming cannon fire, with one round skimming along the top of the wing, from an angle of attack slightly above and behind the aircraft.

What was that, a UFO? And how long were they shooting at it? 30 minutes straight? The plane was torn to shreds. The BUK also explodes at proximity and releases shrapnel into a target, such as steel balls. The SU-25, by the way, accused of doing this by the Russkies, which the report says didn't exist contrary to Russkie claims, could only get within 3KM of the airliner... directly beneath it, and that, without carrying anything, because it can't climb that high, and definitely not "above" it, and definitely not fast enough to catch it.

Are the Russkies switching to evil Banderovite aliens, armed with 30mm cannons, as attacking the airliner and avoiding all detection while the stupid Russkies scatter to hide their Buk?

Also there was explosive residue INSIDE the cabin, it appears. That could explain the absence of any voice recording of the attack. The pilots were dead before they could say anything.

How'd that happen? Maybe there was a bomb? Or did a Banderovite teleport into the cabin, assassinate them, and then leave to avoid the incoming 30mm cannon fire?

13 posted on 09/09/2014 7:45:41 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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14 posted on 09/09/2014 8:01:15 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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Air-to-air missiles like the R-60, Mr. Larringa said, generally use infrared guidance systems and seek out heat sources like engines, which he said was inconsistent with evidence released Tuesday that the projectiles that shot down Flight 17 were concentrated around the cockpit. Buk missiles are radar-guided and home in on the body of their target.

Hmmm.

15 posted on 09/10/2014 5:00:35 AM PDT by McGruff
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Some warheads on air defense missiles burst and fragment near the target. It may be what happened in this case. At the altitude this plane was at it was not 20mm or 30mm fire from the ground and it’s very implausible (although implausible means it’s still plausible denial for Putinistas) that the plane was shot down by a military aircraft.


16 posted on 09/10/2014 8:34:46 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: 2harddrive

20mm and 30mm rounds qualify as “high energy objects”


17 posted on 09/10/2014 1:47:48 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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Of course, you realize that is perfectly consistent with the buckling of the hull, don’t you? It provides absolutely no conclusive evidence regarding the reason the hull buckled.

If you do not believe me, just bend an aluminum can in half. you will notice that the sides of the can protrude outward at the point where the can bends.


18 posted on 09/10/2014 1:51:40 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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Nevermind. I just read your other posts and it is obvious you were being facetious.

Sorry about that.


19 posted on 09/10/2014 1:53:12 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: 1rudeboy

It was a meteorite, as some Ancient Astronaut Theorists believe.


20 posted on 09/10/2014 4:06:43 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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