That time Ukraine tried to join NATO — and NATO said no

Washington Post ^ | September 4 at 3:37 PM | http://www.washingtonpost.com/people/adam-taylor

[FreeReign]

...During NATO's 2008 summit in Bucharest, Romania, the issue was discussed and, after opposition from France and Germany, a decision was made to offer neither Ukraine nor Georgia a NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP) — essentially a path for Ukraine to receive membership — at that moment. Vague promises of NATO membership in the future were made, but the United States later appeared to drop its support for NATO membership for Ukraine and Georgia. Russia's brief war with Georgia in August 2008 helped underscore the decision's importance, but NATO and Ukraine held further talks in December. Again, however, no specific MAP was announced.

Yushchenko seemed despondent after the Bucharest summit. "I am sure that the ball is not on the Ukrainian side of the field, Ukraine has done everything it had to do," the Ukrainian president told the Times of London in November 2008. "We are devoted to this pace. Everything else is an issue of political will of those allies who represent NATO."

Ukraine's hopes of joining NATO finally ended in 2010, when Yushchenko lost the presidential election to Viktor Yanukovych, the man he had helped oust during the Orange Revolution and the man forced out by protests earlier this year...

[DTA]

>>>>>>>As for all of Communism, it holds the prize for the greatest slaughter machine in all of human history. Between Russia, China, Southeast Asia, Africa and Latin America perhaps as many as 250,000,000 have been directly murdered by communist governments. ALL where directly influenced by Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin.<<<<<<<<<

You perhaps wanted to say: all directly influenced by Marx, Engels and Soviet Communists financed by the Wall Street.

Without Warburg, Loeb Kuhn & Co financing, Communists would not be able to seize power in Russia and instill the reign of terror. Scum would have no influence to anybody, anywhere.

My family suffered from both Nazi terror and Communist terror and I am disgusted by them. Soviet Union, Communism,Nazi Germany and Nazism make me puke equally.

That's why I am sick to my stomach when I recognize Communist tactics of deception.

It is true that 250,000,000 are murdered by Communists, but sadly, it is not the largest mass murder in History. Muslims murdered more Hindus in India alone, over 300 million. They even named one mountain chain after it - Hindukush - silencing of the Hindus. Add all Black slaves and peoples under Arab and Ottoman yoke and the number rises easily over 500 million.

Sadly, Holodomor is not one of the worst by absolute numbers in known history. Human depravity is much greater. It ranks among top 10 for sure. Saying it is one of the worst by absolute numbers diminish all others.

Belgian King Leopold murdered half of the population of Congo, 10 million people.

40 million Native Americans were exterminated from North American soil.

And so on.

Stating the facts makes me no Soviet apologist. That's what Communists were best at - labeling adversaries, stiffing any fact-based discussion to push their ideological agenda.

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The difference between the Soviet genocide in Ukraine and Native Americans is that starvation was the policy of Stalin whereas smallpox was unintentionally introduced to the Americas.

Oddly enough smallpox was introduced by the very explorers who also unintentionally gave some American Indians the horses that enabled the rise of the iconic buffalo-hunting Plains horse culture that American Indians are stereotyped for all over the world. Before that bison hunting was a hit or miss operation that depended on the luck of finding both a herd of bison and a reasonably high cliff in close proximity.

The effort to exterminate bison to make the plains people more manageable by denying them independence and forcing them onto the reservations for handouts was definitely an act along a similar evil mindset as Stalin, but it was not an effort to exterminate them and certainly did not kill millions or even hundreds of thousands. Smallpox had already done the deed to most of those killed long before they’d even seen a settler or a European honey bee, thanks to their very large trade network they had been using since Precolumbian times.