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To: palmer
As a sidenote...looks like Poroshenko’s finally meeting with the Eastern Ukraine leadership and are setting conditions which appear favorable for both sides.

No doubt E Ukraine is willing to cooperate with economic and trade etc. with Kiev....but want to govern their own people with Russia as the official language of E. Ukraine. At least they have a starting point and are talking.

The most difficult matter was to get Poroshenko to sit down with the East leadership...which he had refused time and again from the beginning, even after saying he would do just that when running for Pres. Instead he unloaded with targeted shelling of the east...and the escalation ensued.

Poroshenko AGAIN has to change his military leadership as announced this week...he has o control there and the troops are continuing to refuse to fight when they are loosing a battles, and this as parents protest against their children being sent to the East..

Added to this the US has stepped away from supporting Poroshenko, leaving Europe and Nato to step up....of course this 'AFTER' the US ceased control of their oil and gas infrastructure...signed and sealed this past week.....which would have also included Donbass and Eastern Ukraine area....that remains in the balance now. I suspect the Oligarchs are being considered in their share and control in the EAst as well.

33 posted on 09/01/2014 12:26:05 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
Poroshenko Wants Donetsk, Luhansk Republics to be Recognized as Terrorist Organizations - September 1, 2014 - Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko intends to raise the issue of recognizing the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics as terrorist organizations during his upcoming visit to the United States, the president’s press service said in a statement Monday.
35 posted on 09/01/2014 12:31:02 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: caww
No doubt E Ukraine is willing to cooperate with economic and trade etc. with Kiev....but want to govern their own people with Russia as the official language of E. Ukraine. At least they have a starting point and are talking.

The majority of folks in E. Ukraine want to remain part of Ukraine and don't want to be part of Russia. There are NO democratically elected reps in E. Ukraine that are part of the insurgency, that can speak for E. Ukraine.

The most difficult matter was to get Poroshenko to sit down with the East leadership...which he had refused time and again from the beginning...

Your so-called "Eastern leadership" is nothing more than unelected thugs.

, even after saying he would do just that when running for Pres.

He never said that when he was running for president.

Instead he unloaded with targeted shelling of the east...and the escalation ensued.

Porshenko has simply been responding to a Russian backed uprising by a minority of thugs in the East.

Poroshenko AGAIN has to change his military leadership as announced this week...he has o control there and the troops are continuing to refuse to fight when they are loosing a battles, and this as parents protest against their children being sent to the East..

Parents of soldiers protest in both Ukraine and Russian.

Added to this the US has stepped away from supporting Poroshenko,

The US is supporting Poroshenko now the way they have always supported Poroshenko.

leaving Europe and Nato to step up....of course this 'AFTER' the US ceased control of their oil and gas infrastructure...

Wow. The US has not seized control of Ukraine's oil and gas infrastructure.

You post nothing but rubbish.

42 posted on 09/01/2014 12:52:41 PM PDT by FreeReign
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