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Putin 'urges talks on statehood for east Ukraine' (Putin Toughens Position)
BBC News ^ | 08/31/2014 | BBC News

Posted on 08/31/2014 4:31:13 AM PDT by goldstategop

President Putin has called for talks to discuss "statehood" for eastern Ukraine, Russian media report.

He said the issue needed to be discussed to ensure the interests of local people "are definitely upheld".

His comments came after the EU gave Russian a one-week ultimatum to reverse course in Ukraine or face sanctions.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: bbcnews; europeanunion; nato; novorossiya; presidentputin; russia; statehood; sudetenland; terrorism; ukraine
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
The problem with your theory is that it assumes we resisted the Soviets, but we did not. We outspent them and armed some Muslims who eventually became our enemies. Resisting would have meant nuclear war and we were not will to resist to help their victims in eastern Europe.

The same applies today, we in the west, including NATO, are not willing to risk nuclear war to help the Eastern Europeans with their Russian problems. They are on their own and that is how it should be. They can fight their own small insignificant wars. The pictures you to promote war in Ukraine does not change the equation.

As for helping Iran and North Korea, that is more fantasy than reality. Iran will take help from whoever they can get it from, It is obfuscatory to claim that Russian enriched uranium supports Iran's weapons programs. Russia does the enriching in that case not Iran and the fuel can be easily tracked. The spent fuel is a different story and could be a problem if Russia does not retrieve it.

81 posted on 08/31/2014 2:28:05 PM PDT by palmer (This comment is not approved or cleared by FDA)
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To: palmer
They are on their own and that is how it should be. They can fight their own small insignificant wars. The pictures you to promote war in Ukraine does not change the equation.

"This is how it should be" has resulted in millions of deaths and generations of people living under tyranny. This is stupidity. The main target of Russia and China is not Europe, but the United States. Their aggression in their local areas is just part of their overall war against Western values such as Freedom. You do not understand the anti-Western ideology of the Communists and Tyrants who face us. It will not stop with Ukraine, and then Estonia, and then Poland.

82 posted on 08/31/2014 2:32:35 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
"The invasion of Ukraine is, in fact, an attack on the West, as was Georgia. "

Ridiculous.

83 posted on 08/31/2014 2:32:35 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: palmer
Iran will take help from whoever they can get it from, It is obfuscatory to claim that Russian enriched uranium supports Iran's weapons programs.

Who said anything about Russian enriched Uranium? The issue is Nuclear technology and political cover in the UN allowing Iran time to get the bomb.

84 posted on 08/31/2014 2:34:26 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Mariner
Ridiculous.

You forgot to include the "why" of that.

85 posted on 08/31/2014 2:35:00 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: goldstategop

Putin’s comrades Daniel Ortega, Nicholas Maduro, and Omar al-Bashir will be happy to recognize the new Eastern Ukrainian state.


86 posted on 08/31/2014 2:42:03 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Dr. Strangelove, is that you? Apparently we should have started a nuclear war to liberate Eastern Europe. As for Western values, the western Europeans supporting Ukraine have their cronies and the Russian have their crony interests. None is more pure than the other. You obviously would like nothing better than to believe that Russia is communist instead of crony capitalist. But if they are really communist, then we are not far behind on that slope.

Of course the US is under attack, but we're not going to stop those attacks by defending Ukraine. The reason we get attacked is our size and strength to tip the balance in the various European wars. Both European and Russian elites agree on that. Now they have largely succeeded in neutering American capitalism and the military, so we are out of the picture. We can barely help ourselves against the Islamists and the Chinese.

87 posted on 08/31/2014 2:52:22 PM PDT by palmer (This comment is not approved or cleared by FDA)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

The weaklings and cowards here are no different than Obama, no answers, no action, no honor, no loyalty. It makes no difference to them a US President promised Ukraine US protection when they gave up their nukes. Chamberlain spoke like this, we will give the Nazis what they want and they will leave us alone...cowardliness enables our enemies to defeat us a few years down the road. But as long as they are comfy in their beds all is ok. They will be making the same weak arguments when Putin comes after the Arctic.


88 posted on 08/31/2014 2:52:30 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
The issue is Nuclear technology and political cover in the UN allowing Iran time to get the bomb.

Iran needs political cover in the UN? The UN is not helpful to US interests any way. They will gain their nuclear weapon capability by growing it like Pakistan. A nuclear power program doesn't change the situation as long as the nuclear fuel is supplied and the spent fuel is retrieved. All you are doing is conflating the two.

89 posted on 08/31/2014 2:56:25 PM PDT by palmer (This comment is not approved or cleared by FDA)
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To: free_life
The weaklings and cowards here are no different than Obama,

War with Russia is not going to save America from socialism, restore American values or strengthen America in any way. Peace comes from strength, not Cold War rhetoric.

90 posted on 08/31/2014 3:02:17 PM PDT by palmer (This comment is not approved or cleared by FDA)
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To: palmer

Listen all you weaklings the palmer has spoken, we should lie down and die, we are already defeated...all is lost Russia the valiant is master of us.

Oh go die quietly somewhere quisling your whimperings are pitiful.


91 posted on 08/31/2014 3:03:22 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: Mariner

Putin invaded Georgia and Ukraine precisely because they are allies of the west. Putin is at war with western civilization. His evil tyranny must be destroyed. Russia must be smashed to pieces just like the Soviet Union was.


92 posted on 08/31/2014 3:05:09 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: palmer
Apparently we should have started a nuclear war to liberate Eastern Europe.

You are just an idiot accusing me of "conflating things" like with Russia's support of Iran's nuclear program while simultaneously accusing me of wanting to have nuclear war just because I do not advocate passivity against Russian/Chicom expansionism.

You obviously would like nothing better than to believe that Russia is communist instead of crony capitalist.

Russia is a kleptocracy run by "former" KGB and Communists. Communism itself they still promote throughout the world and within the United States.

93 posted on 08/31/2014 3:05:09 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
They are not Western countries.

How many Lutherans, or Roman Catholics...or membership in any of the classic Western institutions are there in Ukraine or Georgia?

While not zero, it's insignificant, I'm sure.

Nor do they have a history in the practice in Classic Western Liberalism or signs of aspirations to build such a history.

All the people of Ukraine or Georgia are fighting for is the right to choose their own despot.

94 posted on 08/31/2014 3:06:02 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: palmer

Oh yes we know that the nuclear fuel is retrieved because Russia says so, and Russians never lie. They are known thoughout the world for their honesty and trustworthiness. Iranians too.


95 posted on 08/31/2014 3:08:07 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: free_life
No you are right. We should listen to the Ukrainian nationalists on this board and maybe the Estonian or Lithuanians or even the Finns. We should support every effort to contain Russian from expansion no matter who says so. We have all the money in the world to do that since we print it. If Russia gets pissed off at that, we can just nuke them and that will stop WWIII dead in its tracks.

While we are at it, let's arm some more Muslims to attack Russia form the south since that worked out so well last time. What great allies we will have for WWIII.

96 posted on 08/31/2014 3:09:31 PM PDT by palmer (This comment is not approved or cleared by FDA)
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To: Mariner

About 4 million Catholics in Ukraine.


97 posted on 08/31/2014 3:10:25 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Russia must be smashed to pieces just like the Soviet Union was.

And you have just the plan. It starts with a war in Ukraine....

98 posted on 08/31/2014 3:10:39 PM PDT by palmer (This comment is not approved or cleared by FDA)
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To: Mariner
How many Lutherans, or Roman Catholics...or membership in any of the classic Western institutions are there in Ukraine or Georgia?

Ukraine has Greek Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, and so on and so forth. They are also Democracies, with many competing parties, not dictatorships. It was because of Yanukovych beating and torturing protestors to begin with, which had never occurred before, and his attempt to establish Russian style "democracy," that Ukraine rose up to begin with.

Nor do they have a history in the practice in Classic Western Liberalism or signs of aspirations to build such a history.

The entire Maidan was predicated on the notion of removing Russian influence in Ukraine (i.e. corruption) and practicing classic western liberalism. They have a history of being butchered by the Soviets and a strong National spirit.

99 posted on 08/31/2014 3:11:03 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"Putin invaded Georgia and Ukraine precisely because they are allies of the west."

I don't agree with that.

He attacked Ukraine and Georgia to bring them back under the control of Moscow.

I believe it's a stretch to ascribe some "alliance" between those two countries and any Western Country.

When the Bear roared, they called and asked for help. But there's certainly no treaty between either of them and any Western Country...at least that I am aware of.

100 posted on 08/31/2014 3:11:11 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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