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Build Better Teachers
Townhall.com ^ | August 29, 2014 | Mona Charen

Posted on 08/29/2014 8:31:15 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Beagle8U
The problem starts with the fact that as a general rule, education majors come from the very bottom of the SAT barrel.

Too much of the required ‘continuing education’ is phone-it-in fluff designed to grant them higher salaries for doing nothing.

Outlaw teachers unions and start firing the slugs.

1540 on my SATs, 2 Bachelors degrees, 2 Masters and the equivalent of a third. Come on in the water is warm, show us how to do it better.

41 posted on 08/29/2014 11:52:04 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: Salvation
I doubt that better teachers are coming.

we are already here, we just need the support of better parents.

42 posted on 08/29/2014 11:55:41 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: verga

The exception to the rule doesn’t disprove it.


43 posted on 08/29/2014 12:08:30 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: stremba

When I hear teachers use the excuse that it is the home life of the students that prevents them from learning, I concede the point and ask that the teachers then accept minimum wage just to watch the kids for 6 hours a day, 180 days per year.

If the conversation starts with how students can’t be taught, let’s cut out losses from pretending to pay people to educate them.

Public school teachers’ unions have destroyed NJ, giving us the highest property taxes in the nation for no return at all. Diploma mills (”online universities”) have developed for the niche industry of awarding teachers fake degrees to drive up their pay (union work rules).


44 posted on 08/29/2014 12:26:29 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: verga
"◾The average combined SAT for newly trained Ohio teachers was 1246. An SAT of 1246 ranked at roughly the 20th percentile of the college-going student distribution. ◾The averaged combined ACT score for newly trained Ohio teachers was 22.6. An ACT of 22.6 ranked roughly at the 68th percentile of high school graduates." http://profitofeducation.org/?p=4266 "SAT Scores Ranked by Intended College Major Show Teachers Are Below Average" http://www.joshuakennon.com/sat-scores-ranked-by-intended-college-major-show-teachers-are-below-average/ "High school graduates who say they intend to major in education score in the bottom third compared to 36 other intended majors, according to the SAT data released last week. Nationally, intended education majors finished 25th in reading, 27th in math and a combined 57 points below the national average in both." http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/gradebook/content/sat-scores-teacher-wannabes "Future education majors score below state average on SAT Report: performance subpar for likely teachers" http://www.educationreport.org/3121
45 posted on 08/29/2014 12:36:13 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Beagle8U

Like I said Come on in and show us how to do it better. An addition of someone like you will only serve to raise the standards.


46 posted on 08/29/2014 3:41:40 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: NorthMountain

I’m not kidding either. These are ACTUAL reports from 2 teachers. Everyone wants to blame TEACHERS. We can only work with the quality of student material that walks in the door. The gibsmedat mentality is very prevalent-—the students want passing grades, HIGH passing grades for doing minimal or no work at all. Even not even coming to class. And the teachers are extremely pressured, even threatened, by principals to have high passing stats or ELSE. But everyone wants to point the finger at teachers for all the problems. Give me a group of respectful kids who want to learn and nothing can stop us. Give students like already described, and every other word from my mouth—50% of class time-—is wasted on “put the phone away” and other garbage. UNIONS have NOTHING to do with this. So all you union-bashing goons, please save some bandwidth ‘cos I know the truth and I’m not listening to you.


47 posted on 08/29/2014 4:22:30 PM PDT by EinNYC
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To: stremba

“Certainly better teachers are to be desired, but I don’t think that will entirely fix our schools.”
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The battle has been lost, I have a little part time job and I when I questioned the use of the expression “seven hundred percent less” in the text for a certain project I was told that the writers of the text had objected to it but the CLIENT who is paying for it insisted on writing it that way. So now we have people moving into management who insist on using absurd expressions of mathematical impossibilities which would have insured a big red “F” on any paper submitted by a fifth grader in my day. Such things seem to pass largely unnoticed these days but using that kind of language is equivalent to saying, “I am an idiot and don’t have brains enough to know that I am an idiot, I like to talk about percentages but I am too stupid to know that 700 percent less cannot possibly mean the same thing as 85.72 percent less.” The weird part is that we have gotten to the point that some people actually seem to think I am overreacting to this! No, I am definitely not overreacting, this is supposedly educated adults using absurdities that are more ridiculous than anything in a “Three Stooges” routine and taking themselves seriously.


48 posted on 08/29/2014 7:50:30 PM PDT by RipSawyer (OPM is the religion of the sheeple.)
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To: kearnyirish2
I concede the point and ask that the teachers then accept minimum wage just to watch the kids for 6 hours a day, 180 days per year.

Count me in and sing me up I am all for it.

Teachers' hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year!

It's time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do ... babysit! We can get that for minimum wage. That's right. Let's give them $3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time or any time they spend before or after school ... That would be $19.50 a day ... (7:45 to 3:00 with 45 min. off for lunch and planning. That equals 6 1/2 hours).

Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to babysit their children. Now, how many students do they teach in a day ... maybe 30? So that's $19.50 x 30 = $585.00 a day. However, remember they only work 180 days a year! I'm not going to pay them for any vacations. LET'S SEE ... That's $585 X 180 = $105,300 per year.

Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries. What about those special education teachers and the ones with Masters degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage ($7.75), and just to be fair, round it off to $8.00 an hour. That would be $8 X 6 1/2 hours X 30 children X 180 days = $280,800 per year.

Wait a minute -- there's something wrong here! There sure is! The average teacher's salary (nation wide) is $50,000. $50,000/180 days = $277.77/per day/30 students = $9.25/6.5 hours = $1.42 per hour per student -- a very inexpensive baby sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!! WHAT A DEAL!! Make a teacher smile, re-post this to show appreciation for all educators!

49 posted on 08/30/2014 10:05:48 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: verga

When kindergarten teachers in their mid-40s rake in $80K+ annually (on top of outrageous benefits, for 180 6 hour days), something is very wrong. Your vomiting of the commissars’ lines don’t hold up; when the Asbury Park Press published the salaries of our public school teachers’ salaries here in NJ, Chris Christie won the support of the taxpayers being bled by these vampires and could now win re-election until the day he dies.

The master’s degrees you mention are part of the problem; when teachers “earn” them through diploma mills their pay automatically increases regardless of whether or not the degree is related to their subject matter.

The 30-child classes are a myth (at least until the education commissars traffick non-paying illegals here to fill the classrooms); Americans have so few children (and therefore need so fewer teachers) but as they did in NJ the teachers will import illegals nationwide.

There is no other job where one can make so much with so little work or lack of results; the teachers’ unions are the de facto owners of the Democratic Party, funneling taxpayer wealth to their coffers in order to tighten their stranglehold on said taxpayers.

Educate my kids? My wife and I make up what our children don’t learn for themselves (their school simply assigns them all kinds of work online for homework, including NEW MATERIAL, so the parents have to teach the child themselves after working their own jobs). If you weren’t personally in on the scheme, you’d admit it is a massive (and costly) hoax. Here in NJ we’ve learned the hard way that the public education industry is filled with some of the most mediocre people alive (the bottom of their college classes).

As for making educators smile, I laud the efforts of private and voucher school teachers; they work hard (and publicly shame the regular public school staff) and deliver a much better product.


50 posted on 08/30/2014 12:45:20 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

Come on in show us how to do it better, I am certain that a person of your ability will be able to make significant improvements.


51 posted on 08/30/2014 5:20:52 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: verga

Vouchers and charter schools; wherever they are in use there is massive flight from “regular” public schools (those with teachers’ unions).

Here in NJ the public school industry (I wouldn’t refer to it as “education”) are destroying the private education system with their outrageous costs; those taxpayers (corporate and individual) that can, flee. They leave behind the permanent underclass, hordes of illegals, and taxpayers stuck with mortgages in a state that isn’t attracting anyone...


52 posted on 08/30/2014 5:27:37 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

Come on in show us how to do it better, I am certain that a person of your ability will be able to make significant improvements.


53 posted on 08/30/2014 5:31:08 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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