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Russian armored columns said to capture key Ukrainian town
WP ^ | August 28, 2014 | By Annie Gowen and Karoun Demirjian

Posted on 08/28/2014 7:36:36 AM PDT by 1rudeboy

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To: dfwgator

My guess is that Russia will want to occupy strategic parts of East and South Ukraine, create a land bridge to Crimea. Ukrainians gave the Nazis a hard time, Russia does not want to occupy more of Ukraine than is needed. I still hope Ukranians will develop an insurgency, my tax dollars should totally go to that.


21 posted on 08/28/2014 9:44:49 AM PDT by BurningOak (Live Free or Die)
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To: BurningOak

Other people’s quarrels aren’t our business.

Its the local Hatfields vs. McCoys.

And no one is going to take on Russia. Its not important enough to make Obama stop his golf game.


22 posted on 08/28/2014 9:46:19 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

“Western Ukraine can survive. Its a homogeneous country that is 80-90% Ukrainian-speaking.

It can live without the Donbass. For that reason, it can count on its soldiers to defend it from a Russian invasion.”

Or Ukranians can be men and not let Russia occupy half their country. They could slit the throat of any Ukranian citizen that cooperates with the invasion, and wage a bloody war of attrition against the invading army. That is what real men do.


23 posted on 08/28/2014 9:47:15 AM PDT by BurningOak (Live Free or Die)
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To: BurningOak

Why?

Poroshenko can’t stop the Russian army.

And Afghan-style insurgency works only if the Russians are stupid enough to move into Western Ukraine.

Putin won’t take the bait.


24 posted on 08/28/2014 9:48:54 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Bogey78O
So... are we going to honor our agreement from 1993?

Was this "agreement" submitted to the Senate for ratification?

No? Didn't think so.

The President cannot involve the united States in international disputes and conflicts without the binding authority conferred by the representatives of the several states.

25 posted on 08/28/2014 9:49:24 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: goldstategop

I am not worried about Obama, I know he is useless. I am alot more upset with the Ron Paul/Code Pink wing of the GOP that say that other nations quarrels are not our own. That attitude would have us all speaking German or Russian decades ago. Isolationism is cowardice. Free nations should be lions fighting tyranny not scared little kittens.


26 posted on 08/28/2014 9:50:40 AM PDT by BurningOak (Live Free or Die)
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To: Jim Noble

Meanwhile the Russian ISIS moves ever westward


27 posted on 08/28/2014 9:51:07 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: BurningOak

bump


28 posted on 08/28/2014 9:51:46 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: BurningOak

When a third of your citizens speak Russian and the border with Russia is effectively non-existent - fighting them is an uphill battle.

The reality is Ukraine is fracturing along linguistic lines. Everything east of the Dnieper is already good as gone.


29 posted on 08/28/2014 9:51:58 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Poland cannot sit idly by if for nothing else, they don’t want a bunch of Ukrainians fleeing into Poland.

Poles and Ukrainians are good neighbors, but you don’t want them both to be under the same roof.


30 posted on 08/28/2014 9:53:09 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: goldstategop

Eastern Ukraine is full of ethnic Ukrainians, Russians are just a sizable minority almost everywhere and many of them are neutral about the conflict. Russian invasion of Eastern Ukraine will mean millions of ethnic Ukrainians living under occupation.


31 posted on 08/28/2014 9:53:53 AM PDT by BurningOak (Live Free or Die)
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To: BurningOak

They’re Russified and have the Orthodox religion and Russian culture.

The further west you go, things look quite different.


32 posted on 08/28/2014 9:56:06 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: dfwgator
do they risk the Russians moving in and taking over the entire country, or do the Poles decide to take action and move into Western Ukraine to stabilize things there?

I think the Russians want to be rid of Galicia. Once Lemberg and its hinterlands are gone, the whole thing becomes much more manageable.

The (really, really) big question in all of this is, once it becomes clear that Ukraine in its present form is finished, is Germany going to cooperate in rearranging the pieces on the board between the Oder and the Dnieper?

Lemberg was never really Polish (Lwow only lasted a few years). Maybe it can become an EU protectorate? That really depends on whether or not Putin is done once the Ukraine thing is over, or whether he wants the Baltics, too.

If he's content for Estonia and Latvia to be in the EU, he'll probably be fine with Galicia being in the EU as well.

33 posted on 08/28/2014 9:56:52 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: goldstategop

“When a third of your citizens speak Russian and the border with Russia is effectively non-existent - fighting them is an uphill battle.”

keeping putin out of ukraine would have been tough even if the west had highly competent and effective leadership... instead we have obama and the eu


34 posted on 08/28/2014 10:01:29 AM PDT by Reverend Wright (Obama Presidency: if a jayvee team puts on Lakers uniforms that doesnÂ’t make them Kobe Bryant)
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To: Jim Noble

Russia is quite content to divide Ukraine. It would rather keep it under its thumb but barring that it takes the spoils in NovoRossiya.

The West can figure out how to prop up a bankrupt Kiev and Lvov.

And with winter fast approaching, the real fun is just beginning.


35 posted on 08/28/2014 10:02:02 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: dfwgator

I doubt the Poles will move unless an agreement is made with Germany. Simply put, the Poles have their own border to defend.


36 posted on 08/28/2014 10:05:15 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Those armored tank battalions lost their way and accidently took over a city and they somehow are all volunteers and bought their tanks and equipment at Wal-Mart in Donetsk or something.


37 posted on 08/28/2014 10:06:43 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Jim Noble

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin

In his books (which you can find for free, don’t send the guy money) he talks of letting that sliver of Russia on the Baltic to Germany.

I fear that Dugin’s works will be remembered as the warning no one wanted to see.


38 posted on 08/28/2014 10:11:10 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: GeronL

If you believe Putin, no one in Russia is involved and everything was rented at the Donetsk Walmart.

The man is no dummy and knows the value of plausible denialbility.


39 posted on 08/28/2014 10:11:16 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: tcrlaf

Heck the Hungarians would take all of Slovakia if they could.


40 posted on 08/28/2014 10:12:08 AM PDT by dfwgator
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