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No Inversion Is Not Unpatriotic. Yes We Need Corporate Tax Reform
forbes.com ^ | 8/25/2014 @ 11:05AM | Yevgeniy Feyman

Posted on 08/25/2014 8:43:05 AM PDT by BenLurkin

This has to do with two elements of the American tax system.

For one, the U.S. has the highest statutory corporate tax rate in the OECD, a combined rate of about 39 percent when taking into account federal and state taxes. Effective tax rates are harder to come by, but a report from the Tax Foundation found that the U.S. had the highest marginal effective corporate tax rate among developed country groups. It can be profitable then for U.S. firms to move offshore to reduce tax liabilities.

But there is another factor at play here as well. Most developed economies use what’s known as a “territorial” tax system. Under such an approach, income is only taxed when it’s earned domestically. So a U.K.-headquartered company will only pay U.K. taxes on its British income. The United States, however, employs a hybrid between a territorial and worldwide system. U.S. citizens and corporations are required to pay U.S. taxes on all income – even if that income is earned outside of the country. (The tax system provides credits for foreign taxes paid, which reduce or eliminate double taxation of income.) But foreign income is only taxed upon repatriation – when it is brought back to American shores. At this point the incentives should be fairly clear – companies have every reason to avoid bringing their earnings back to the U.S. if they were earned in a lower corporate tax rate country....

Simply put, a worldwide tax system puts American firms at a significant competitive disadvantage

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To: BenLurkin
A corporation has an obligation to its shareholders to legally minimize its tax bill.

My concern is BK taking over Tim Horton. TH serves a lot of healthy choices; BK serves slop. I hope BK doesn't trash TH's food.

21 posted on 08/25/2014 9:07:22 AM PDT by grania (THE)
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To: BenLurkin

When you put money before country, it’s unpatriotic. Take a trip through Arlington and get the feel of what it takes to be an American.


22 posted on 08/25/2014 9:12:35 AM PDT by ex-snook (God forgives because God is Love)
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To: BenLurkin
the U.S. has the highest statutory corporate tax rate in the OECD

That's the thing a lot of Americans don't understand. They think that the US is some low-tax, free market country. The reality is that in many ways, we are just as bad or worse than European countries.

In several ways, our tax system is the highest and most progressive. And yet Obama, the Dems and the media blabber on about "the rich" paying "their fair share" or "a little more to help those in need" as if the rich aren't paying anything. Its one of many reasons why this country is swirling down the toilet.

23 posted on 08/25/2014 9:32:56 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: BenLurkin
Corporations want the advantages of being a 'citizen'. Them we should treat them as such.

If a person chooses to leave behind their American citizenship and move to another country. They have to pay a exit fee. A corporation who chooses to do they same thing, should pay a similar theme.

Equal treatment of each.

24 posted on 08/25/2014 9:56:06 AM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: Svartalfiar
You end up with everyone forming a personal corporation (LLC or whatever), and passing all their finances through that corp. Bam, no one has to pay taxes.

You obviously don't understand the tax system. If you were to end taxing corporations, forming a personal corporation would not prevent you from paying taxes. The corporation would not pay taxes, but as soon as you took any money out of the corporation as salary or other income, you would pay the taxes. Right now, if you form a corporation, both you AND the corporation pay the taxes.

25 posted on 08/25/2014 10:19:56 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I agree that there shouldn’t be taxes on corporate profits. The corporations also shouldn’t be allowed to lobby any level of government, take any government aid or spend any money influencing elections and stockholders should be taxed at regular income tax rates on profits.


26 posted on 08/25/2014 10:20:39 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: ex-snook
When you put money before country, it’s unpatriotic. Take a trip through Arlington and get the feel of what it takes to be an American.

Why is a company required to pay the US taxes on income earned elsewhere in the world? That is not patriotic, it is just dumb. As Samuel Johnson said "(False) patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."

27 posted on 08/25/2014 10:27:49 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

So they should have all of the rights of person hood, but play by a different set of rules?


28 posted on 08/25/2014 10:32:28 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Theoria

I’d also add that we should send a bill for defending their interests globally with our military to their new host country. Better yet, let the citizens of the new host country do the fighting and dying. I’m sure their militaries are up to the task.


29 posted on 08/25/2014 10:35:14 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: freedomfiter2

I think we should just nationalize all corporations. They didn’t build that. Somebody else built that.


30 posted on 08/25/2014 10:38:07 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: BenLurkin

Coorporations are not citizens... and if a coorporation wants to decide it no longer wishes to based in the United States, that’s fine it should be treated as a foreign entity.

It shouldn’t be free to effectively “renounce its citizenship” and at the same time expect all the perks and privileges of being a “US Citizen”.. if you will.


31 posted on 08/25/2014 10:38:36 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: camle

Hahahaa BK isn’t desperate because of taxes, its desperate because its a poorly run fustercluck.


32 posted on 08/25/2014 10:39:20 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: CA Conservative

So, let me understand you... If I make a product in the US, use the nations infrastructure, resources both private and public to create that resource, the national laws and institutions to protect my company and product, but then ship it overseas to sell it, I should not owe any tax at all on the profit that sale generates to my host country?

Yea, good luck with that working out for you.


33 posted on 08/25/2014 10:44:17 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

hahahahaahaha

Stock price and profits are not remotely related....

I can run a company making $10 Billion a year in profits, yet have a stock price that doesn’t move a dime... or vice versa.. have stock that goes up 10 times, but have a company that is actually making no profits.

Your attempt to equate dividends/stock price to profits as double taxation is laughable.


34 posted on 08/25/2014 10:45:56 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
Better nationalize them all then.

They didn't build that! Somebody else built that!

35 posted on 08/25/2014 10:46:52 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: HamiltonJay
I can run a company making $10 Billion a year in profits, yet have a stock price that doesn’t move a dime....

Try it, and tell us how that works out for you.

36 posted on 08/25/2014 10:50:03 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Not really that hard... Playing with a P&L Statement is simple as pie..

You really are naive if you think profit and stock price are highly linked... they are a loose association at best.

There are companies out there that are losing money yet their stocks go up, and companies out there with solid profits and revenues that have seen their stocks clobbered. Fear and Greed drive the stock market, not profits and losses.

Trying to argue a 1 to 1 correlation is flat out ignorant.


37 posted on 08/25/2014 10:53:23 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Not sure how you go from corporations should pay taxes to nationalize them... kind of going way beyond hyperbole with that exaggeration.


38 posted on 08/25/2014 10:54:32 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
Your attempt to equate dividends/stock price to profits as double taxation is laughable.

Corporations pay taxes on earnings.

A portion of those earnings are paid out as dividends.

Shareholders pay taxes on that portion.

Why isn't that double taxation?

39 posted on 08/25/2014 10:57:15 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: HamiltonJay
You can have a corporation that makes $10B in yearly profits, and its stock price can not move a dime. Meaning that the market feels that it has correctly valued the corporation.

So it doesn't minimize the correlation at all (not arguing that it is 1 to 1, by the way), but reinforces it.

40 posted on 08/25/2014 10:59:31 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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