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To: ohioman
Well anyone with common sense can see that this was a case of suicide by cop.

I just love your standards of evidence. Can I use them at your trial?

I am also not very tolerant of liberal points of view.

You call protection of the unalienable right to due process of law a "liberal point of view"? Liberals hate the Fifth Amendment.

Cannot believe you would side with the crazy thugs in this case.

I'm not. If the idiot had rushed the cop, his buddy could have dropped him in less than a half-second. One would think they were trained to keep the lead guy out of the line of fire from the second; if not, the trainers are incompetent. At the distance at which the perp was shot, there was no good cause for the lead to shoot given the backup. If the cop had been alone, that would have changed the risk v. rights picture considerably and I would have said he would be justified at the first gesture of attack, and no, failure to comply should not carry a death sentence. Given the backup, the lead guy should have done what he could to get the space cadet to surrender first, giving him as much room as possible to let him blow off steam and come to his senses.

The police exist as professional risk-takers employed to secure rights, not to act as judge, jury, and executioner just because of how they feel. It's why we have rules of engagement in war, albeit those Zero has employed are an abomination. So if this is how they are going to behave, I think we'd be better off without them and let the people arm and defend themselves taking their own risks.

115 posted on 08/21/2014 4:42:55 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Democrats: the Party of slavery to the immensely wealthy for over 200 years.)
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To: Carry_Okie; All

You are a good guy. But you are talking without expertise here. Bullets take time to take effect. You said:

“If the idiot had rushed the cop, his buddy could have dropped him in less than a half-second.”

People shot, even in the heart, often take 5-10 seconds to go down. In that time, they can kill you, which is why you keep shooting. A gun is not a phaser.

Central nervous system hits, such as to the brain stem or upper spine are usually, but not always a near instant stop. They are also very difficult to make.

Ask any big game hunter how far a deer will run after it has been shot in the heart. They often run a hundred yards before falling over. In a human, a similar sized animal, that equates to 5-10 second so life.

In this case, it appears about 2 seconds from the first shot until the man falls down, after multiple shots.

True, he was only walking, but there are cases where police failed to fire as a man with a knife walked up to them, and then killed them before they reacted, while waiting for a more overt act.

As for “suicide by cop”, what else would you call it when the man says repeatedly “Shoot Me!” and refuses to obey commands, while approaching the police with a weapon in his hand?


116 posted on 08/21/2014 5:16:47 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Carry_Okie

Save your liberaltarian rant for someone else. If you cannot see this shooting as justified then it must be due to the fact that your head is firmly stuck up your ass. Even the scumbag thugs are not protesting this. You must be on their side with mike brown as well.


117 posted on 08/21/2014 5:39:51 PM PDT by ohioman
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