"WAAAAAAAAAH!!!! They get Alcohol! I want my WEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDD!!!!!"
Posted on 08/20/2014 10:40:32 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom
You are giving the pot warriors theme. You can’t stop it, so go with it.
I disagree, we also try to stop theft, murder and rape. I think those will never go away either.
Who said it would?
See China during their opium era for an example...
See the USA when opium was legal - nothing like China's problems.
You are giving the pot warriors theme. You can’t stop it, so go with it.
No, that's not my argument. My argument is closer to: When in a hole, stop digging.
I disagree, we also try to stop theft, murder and rape. I think those will never go away either.
Two-thirds of murders are solved - the proportion of drug "crimes" that are even detected is assuredly orders of magnitude smaller.
100 years ago was 1914, in 1914 the only parts of America where there were anti-marijuana laws were DC (1906) Massachusetts (1911), New York and Maine (both 1914). And even in those instances sale was generally restricted but not prohibited entirely.
People who socially drink several times a week for a decade or more, no binging, just 1-3 drinks, several times a week, will be fine. People who smoke the equivalent of pot will have affected memory. Some of it just for the time they were stoned, which gets close to 100% because it takes so long for pot to leave the brain. When they are only slightly affected, the next day, they don’t feel high at all, yet the brain is affected. But some of that memory problem can be permanent.
Unless you love memory loss, I’d not smoke pot too regularly.
Your logic is flawed.. honesty is suspect.. and point is mute..
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How is my honesty suspect?
You appear to be against legalization, yes, that is only my assumption.
You raised the issue of benefit, in the negative, so again, I assumed that is at least one of the reasons you favor keeping it illegal. Otherwise, why bring it up?
And the honest question that followed is about your threshold for making/keeping things illegal, is it related to the object’s relative benefit?
It would appear that you simply choose not to address the question, hence you are correct that your response is mute.
Alcohol and drugs are mutually exclusive. We tried banning alcohol once, remember? People can drink without the goal of mind alteration (ie, getting drunk)
Just because one is harmful doesn’t justify adding another harm. Don’t we have enough cultural/behavioral problems without adding more? Legalization isn’t the answer, all it would do is create more dependencies and addictions and a host of political problems.
We did fine without dope in the 60s. Then came the 70s and all the associated problems. Ban it for good, get rid of it. It’s simply not worth the costs.
And here you are once again pushing drug propaganda on everybody.
That and the fact that every pot head they know is a worthless bag of crap sucking on the government's teat and constantly trying to beg borrow or steal from everyone around them.
But mostly the fact that pot heads are worthless bags of crap sucking on the government's teat.
Only by the artificial construct of legality. Pharmacologically, alcohol qualifies by every objective measure as a psychoactive drug.
And you are saying this stuff doesn't cause any trouble?
Yes - remember how it failed in pretty much the same ways that pot criminalization is failing?
People can drink without the goal of mind alteration
When that drug was illegal, people drank almost exclusively with the goal of mind alteration.
"WAAAAAAAAAH!!!! They get Alcohol! I want my WEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDD!!!!!"
"WAAAAAAAAAH!!!! They get Alcohol! I want my WEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDD!!!!!"
I'll just let your witless evasion speak for itself - and for you.
You can’t even begin to compare the two
FAR MORE people enjoy alcohol than pot. Most adults stop using pot once they grow up because they see the stupidity of its use. We still enjoy a drink or two, taste and socializing without the need for mind alteration. Yet even alcohol had to be far more regulated, note the increase in DWI laws over 20-30 years. You want a repeat of that with respect to dope? Because that will happen with legalization.
I sure hope not you or anyone in your family becomes part of the 9-16% who gets addicted by this shyte. Stop defending or rationalizing it, it’s another scourge on our society.
Relevance?
Most adults stop using pot once they grow up
16% of 30-34 year olds smoked pot in the last year (http://www.samhsa.gov/data/NSDUH/2012SummNatFindDetTables/DetTabs/NSDUH-DetTabsSect1peTabs1to46-2012.htm#Tab1.12B).
Yet even alcohol had to be far more regulated, note the increase in DWI laws over 20-30 years. You want a repeat of that with respect to dope?
Absolutely - nobody should drive while significantly impaired by anything.
I sure hope not you or anyone in your family becomes part of the 9-16% who gets addicted by this shyte.
No idea where you got 16%; the 9% for pot is much less than alcohol's 15%.
Whoops, glazed right over that! Thanks.
I don’t buy that it can’t do anything to the lungs. Our lungs were meant for air, not smoke. No matter what it is, it has to do damage.
Only 1.The rest I’ve known since they were users. They very well could have been slackers before-hand. Maybe slackers are just more attracted to it; because they are slackers after all.
It is right that government help to deter marijuana use, through education, but criminalizing it and all who partake of it has not been worth the cost of the effort and its horrendous results.
This crap is constantly repeated by Libertarians in an effort to legalize drugs. They keep saying over and over again that we are achieving NO BENEFIT and we are suffering GREAT COSTS.
That there is, and has always been a benefit is simply lost on people who have never really contemplated this subject very much.
Do you know what is this?
That is what addiction looks like when you don't stop it. Do you know what ours looks like? It's a flat 2% since 1900. It didn't rise. Do you want proof that the normal condition is rising addiction? Here.
Here's another one.
Now what were you saying about those horrendous results? Do you know what kind of horrendous results China got for not stopping drugs? By 1900 50% of the adult male population of Manchuria was addicted to Opium. 100 million dead was the eventual result.
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