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Michael Brown Shooting: Is 6 Shots Normal for Police Use of Force?
Christian Post ^ | 08/19/2014 | Samuel Smith

Posted on 08/19/2014 1:40:34 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

After a preliminary autopsy revealed that teenager Michael Brown was shot at least six times to the front of his body by a Ferguson, Missouri police officer on Aug. 9, a retired Baltimore City police officer who was involved in six individual use-of-force shootings in his 12-year law enforcement career, told The Christian Post Monday that, in general, six shots is not an overly excessive amount of shots for officers to take when trying to take down an assailant and protect themselves.

Robert Yamin, who was forced to retire on disability from the Baltimore City Police Department after being shot by an assailant with his own weapon, said that police officers must do whatever they can to ensure their safety once they get into an altercation and the assailant doesn't let up.

"It appears without having any real knowledge, just based on theory, that the officer was justified. The amount of bullets fired, you shoot whatever you need to stop the incident," Yamin said. "Until he stops coming at you. You keep shooting"

Yamin added that in split-second incidents, police don't cock their gun but instead fire all the way through meaning the shots will be less accurate because it requires more pressure to fire the weapon. When dealing with high intensity situations, it is in the officer's best interest to fire multiple times because these situations tend to happen so fast.

"The whole incident probably took place in two seconds, maybe three," Yamin speculated. "You can imagine what it would be like to go through four seconds of not knowing whether you are going to live or die, and it is all based on what you do in the next two or three seconds so you are making a decision, just split second."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: ferguson; michaelbrown; missouri
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To: mrmeyer

Compare TM to the giant hopped up on pot. TM was on top of Zim ... the other guy was charging.


81 posted on 08/19/2014 2:27:16 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am)
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To: WayneS

Need to find out what that officer was carrying. If it was a .40 the cop used, that guy he shot was really hopped up.


82 posted on 08/19/2014 2:28:20 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am)
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To: vaudine

Not sure, maybe three times? I carry a Beretta Tomcat .32ACP loaded with Glaser Safeties and Hydra-shocks. It will ruin somebodies day.


83 posted on 08/19/2014 2:30:40 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am)
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To: Da Bilge Troll
Was he using a revolver? This is news!

With a double action/single action automatic, the first shot takes a longer and heavier trigger pull, but the subsequent shots have a shorter and lighter pull, because the hammer is cocked by the operation of the slide.

84 posted on 08/19/2014 2:31:04 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: chaosagent

Just wondering - some departments use the 9mm Glock because it can carry more rounds. My personal protection pistol is a Beretta Tomcat in 32ACP alternating rounds of Glaser Safeties and Hydra-shocks. Plus an extra magazine.


85 posted on 08/19/2014 2:32:33 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am)
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To: 1rudeboy

For a total of how many rounds? If it was a .40 then. My range instructor told me three to the chest and one to the head. I think that guy just kept coming and coming being high on pot and all .... big mass like that can absorb a lot.


86 posted on 08/19/2014 2:34:17 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am)
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To: SeekAndFind
Yamin added that in split-second incidents, police don't cock their gun but instead fire all the way through meaning the shots will be less accurate because it requires more pressure to fire the weapon.

I don't know what gun the police shooter had, but if he was using a single-action 'automatic', then his gun would cock automatically after the first round -- and more pressure wouldn't be needed, and the shooting accuracy would be higher.
That, and the 'staging' problem, is why I personally don't like double-action guns.

87 posted on 08/19/2014 2:34:18 PM PDT by expat2
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To: SeekAndFind

The DNC is pushing LEO unions to carry three shot handguns.

Spread the word


88 posted on 08/19/2014 2:34:48 PM PDT by NoLibZone (The bad news: Hillary Clinton will be the next President. The Good news: Our principles are intact.)
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To: thorvaldr

No, it also applies to double-action ‘automatic’ pistols.


89 posted on 08/19/2014 2:36:31 PM PDT by expat2
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To: SeekAndFind

I read today the officer had an exploded eye socket due to big Mike slugging him in the face. The bone below the eye was fractured causing part of the eye to go downward toward the broken bone. That being the case, the officer was shooting without good vision.


90 posted on 08/19/2014 2:40:51 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Rome2000; Jeff Head
"He had already assaulted the officer, punching him and breaking his orbital bone around the officers eye."

That's not been confirmed, and could have been recoil, with the gun hitting him in the eye for all anybody knows at this point.

Your assertion just doesn't wash.

Wilson is a righty. His LEFT orbit is the one that was broken. It wasn't recoil from his gun - which, by the way, Wilson HAS to train with quite frequently. Under your scenario, he'd have made the worst of rookie shooter's mistakes. Maybe I could buy it if he'd been shooting a scoped S&W .500 Magnum - for the 1st time, but not a 9mm (or .40 cal., as some here have reported). Oh, and IF he had done it to himself, it would've been his RIGHT orbit that was broken.

91 posted on 08/19/2014 2:43:51 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: AmusedBystander; vaudine

The 9mm is about .36”.


92 posted on 08/19/2014 2:44:24 PM PDT by expat2
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To: SeekAndFind

Only six? New York police fired 60 rounds at Amadou Diallo and hit him 19 times. Five New York cops fire 50 rounds at Sean Bell managing to kill him and wound his two companions. Only six rounds is amateur hour.


93 posted on 08/19/2014 2:44:39 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: SkyDancer

Point taken, but shot placement is everything. Had the fatal 6th shot to the head been where the first shot hit him, Michael Brown would have been DRT regardless of his size or what he was on.


94 posted on 08/19/2014 2:44:41 PM PDT by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. – Robert Heinlein)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“Then you know little about small semi automatic pistols”
Wow, that’s pretty strong.
Are you saying that your unnamed DAO pocket pistol has an external hammer that you can cock before each shot to get a lighter trigger pull? Then sure, my bad, I’ve never seen a pistol like that.
Otherwise I’m going to stick with saying that their “experts” comments on cocking before each shot to get a lighter trigger pull only applies to DA revolvers and not DAO pistols.

And yes, I’ve never had the displeasure of shooting a Ruger KP-94 but I’ve heard terrible things about the trigger.


95 posted on 08/19/2014 2:45:56 PM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: DoodleDawg

So where were the riots in NYC when Amadou Diallo ( REALLY INNOCENT) was shot and killed?


96 posted on 08/19/2014 2:46:18 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: Ancesthntr

Amen. Well stated.

Bravo Zulu.


97 posted on 08/19/2014 2:47:51 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Semper Fidelis - Molon Labe - Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: SkyDancer

Plus if brown hit the officer in the same side of the face where he had already broken bones, he could have killed the officer or cost him his eyesight.


98 posted on 08/19/2014 2:48:59 PM PDT by DannyTN (I)
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To: dangerdoc
"One or two hit the perp, the rest ventilate surrounding buildings, cars and random citizens." LOL
99 posted on 08/19/2014 2:49:45 PM PDT by DannyTN (I)
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To: DoodleDawg
New York police fired 60 rounds at Amadou Diallo and hit him 19 times. Five New York cops fire 50 rounds at Sean Bell managing to kill him and wound his two companions. Only six rounds is amateur hour.

NYC PD Glock triggers have an 11 lb pull.

That causes a decrease in accuracy.


100 posted on 08/19/2014 2:50:44 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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