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It's Different This Time: Humans Need Not Apply
Townhall.com ^ | August 17, 2014 | Mike Shedlock

Posted on 08/17/2014 4:32:19 PM PDT by Kaslin

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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

And that’s just based on income tax. Add in all the benefits they could lose, and they’re looking at $45,000 before they’re profiting. In Pennsylvania, it could be $65,000!

Meanwhile, with 23 million Americans out of work, McDonald’s is still insisting on importing illegal aliens.


21 posted on 08/17/2014 7:15:33 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dinodino

I’d say that they’re both big problems.


22 posted on 08/17/2014 7:59:50 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Kaslin

The free market works... in 2012, I recall the McDonalds in Monahans, Texas had a sign out front stating they were hiring inexperienced help off the street at $16.50/hr. It’s the economy in the Permian Basin... ya see, a kid fresh out of HS can hire on in the oil fields as a roustabout for $21/hr.


23 posted on 08/17/2014 8:01:38 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Gen.Blather

In some cases, a meal at a fast food restaurant costs less than the buying the ingredients retail.


24 posted on 08/17/2014 8:08:45 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When you consider robots routinely build car bodies, it should be a piece of cake for a robot to build a hamburger.


25 posted on 08/17/2014 8:12:58 PM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: dinodino

>> So, by your logic, the higher the better? Should the minimum wage be $50 an hour? $100 an hour? <<

I said nothing of the sort, nor anything from which any reasonable person could infer anything of the sort. But I’ll explain myself anyway:

If we did away with the welfare state and government-subsidized illegal immigration, and instead enforced immigration law, I would be all for the market set the wage. My problem is that by having taxpayers pay living costs for low-income workers, we’re subsidizing business to pay wages far below what anyone could otherwise afford to accept. So what should the minimum wage be? Well, it should be enough that taxpayers wouldn’t have to subsidize the cost of living.

I do NOT think there should necessarily be a single minimum wage; it could increase with length of service with a company and required education: A burger flipper at McDonald’s is so terribly low-skilled that any English speaker should be able to move up from it to something else. Anyone who speaks English (NO ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!!!) should be able to do something far more skilled by the time he is 28, the median age for someone to first be both married and having kids. If he’s been working at McDonald’s since he’s 17, I’d hope he’d be at least an evening manager within 11 years. Of course, locally, most McDonald’s are staffed by non-English-speaking immigrants who are typically far older.


26 posted on 08/17/2014 9:11:02 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Flick Lives

... and a lot more reasonable to replace a $7/hr worker than a $50/hr worker!


27 posted on 08/17/2014 9:11:42 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Gen.Blather

I think you might be mistaken about EBT cards used in restaurants.

Unless the law has recently changed, you cannot buy “prepared” food with Food Stamps, and that includes food made at the Deli in your grocery store.


28 posted on 08/17/2014 10:39:37 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Paulie

Re: “The elites want to reduce the world population”

In the USA, the elites want to increase population...

1.1 million new Green Cards each year.

About 750,000 work visas each year.

And about 12 million illegal immigrants.


29 posted on 08/17/2014 10:44:21 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: dangus

I think you have misjudged the impact of LEGAL immigration on low skill wages in the USA.

Since 1990, America has issued 27 million Green Cards, mostly to low skill, low education workers who speak English as a second language.

That fact alone - completely independent of illegal immigration, completely independent of outsourced factory jobs - has crushed the wage scale for low skill American workers.


30 posted on 08/17/2014 11:35:38 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

http://twitchy.com/2013/01/07/obamas-food-stamp-nation-we-accept-ebt-signs-are-everywhere/

http://www.wggb.com/2014/04/18/ebt-accepted-at-local-fast-food-restaurants/

(Just a quick search.)


31 posted on 08/18/2014 1:39:45 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: dangus

What competitive effects do you foresee from your plan? You are not dealing with perfectly spherical businesses in a vacuum, as the physicists say...


32 posted on 08/18/2014 4:56:43 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: Gen.Blather

Thanks for the link.

I see the confusion now.

When you said “EBT Cards,” I thought you meant people were using “Food Stamps” at fast food restaurants.

No - they are using their “EBT Cash” benefits, not their “Food Stamp” benefits.

In other words, instead of going to the ATM, withdrawing cash, then going to Burger King, they just go straight to Burger King, and Burger King is their ATM.

A lot of people - probably a majority - do not receive cash benefits.

They only have Food Stamps on their EBT Cards, nothing else.


33 posted on 08/18/2014 8:08:44 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

Yes, we need to reduce levels of legal immigration, too. But many of those “legal” immigrants came in as illegal immigrants, or chain migration to legalized illegal immigrants. But I’m only explaining my choice of words; I agree with you entirely.


34 posted on 08/18/2014 9:03:56 AM PDT by dangus
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To: zeestephen
True, but the goal here is far more sinister than it may appear to some. It is not being forced upon us for the good of the country or the good of humanity for that matter.

Incidentally, when one person migrates from one place to another, they simply relocated - the total population didn't ‘increase’ because of it.

But I'll bet you already know that.

35 posted on 08/18/2014 9:25:15 AM PDT by Paulie (Get off the grid.)
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To: freedumb2003; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; shove_it; TrueKnightGalahad; ...
Gadzooks, soverydumb2003! Never, ever bother me... when I'm cooking on the 'Early Brunch' shift at McDonald's

Opps, another rat... got blended into the toco meat!

36 posted on 08/19/2014 8:33:11 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: dinodino

What effects do you see of the fact that taxpayers subsidize working Moms at McDonald’s to the tune of $35,000 per year, but only if they’re single?

Some probable effects of my plan:

Businesses invest in employees’ productivity to make sure they’re worth the money they have to pay. Reduced demand for illegal immigrants. Increased in automation. $900 billion less in social welfare spending. Restaurants with actual English-speaking workforces becoming competitive “Hullo? You want fry with burger?” Illegal aliens, unable to find work, returning home. And, horror of horrors, the cost of a Big Mac rising 6 cents.


37 posted on 08/19/2014 7:14:13 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Paulie

>> Incidentally, when one person migrates from one place to another, they simply relocated - the total population didn’t ‘increase’ because of it. <<

I get your point, but as worded, it’s not exactly true. Massive immigration from underdeveloped countries into developed countries delays the industrialization of the underdeveloped countries. In agrarian societies, families deliberately have huge families so that the parents will live off of the children’s labor s they get older. And anti-poverty programs usually only help poverty enough to maximize fertility, which naturally drops when parents are malnourished.

In the industrialized nations they move into, they depress wages of the middle class, creating increased government dependency and notions that married parents can’t “afford” another child, because they are ineligible for the benefits given to single parents.

So the effect of immigration, ironically is that the poor nations from which people immigrate see their populations rise faster, while the wealthier nations see their birth rates plummet.


38 posted on 08/19/2014 7:21:03 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Kaslin
Micky D's robot is one clumsy green hunk of junk.

Panera uses iPads with attached card-swipes mounted on a counter top. Sleek and gorgeous. Ordering is a breeze. One restaurant near here has six of them.


39 posted on 08/19/2014 7:34:15 PM PDT by cynwoody
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Unless the law has recently changed, you cannot buy “prepared” food with Food Stamps, and that includes food made at the Deli in your grocery store.

According to A Black Girl's Guide to Weight Loss, "Under the federal food-stamp program, states may authorize that use [to buy restaurant food] by the elderly, disabled or homeless, who often have difficulty preparing meals. Only Michigan, Arizona and parts of California have done so."

40 posted on 08/19/2014 7:42:10 PM PDT by cynwoody
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