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The “militarization” of police was not only inevitable, but necessary
Hot Air ^ | August 16, 2014 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 08/16/2014 4:38:17 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: JRandomFreeper

Are you telling me you don’t think the country is doomed? You don’t think a collapse is inevitable?

Would you disagree that the typical prepper thinks this?


241 posted on 08/16/2014 10:43:51 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: papertyger
...the closest any prepper “wants” a collapse is to have the current zeitgeist to fall of it’s own weigh so as to return to founding principles.

Exactly! This is the standard prepper mindset. You guys want collapse because you think it's the only way the country can be redeemed.

242 posted on 08/16/2014 10:48:23 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
"[Usenet: possibly influenced by British slang ‘plonk’ for cheap booze, or ‘plonker’ for someone behaving stupidly (latter is lit. equivalent to Yiddish schmuck)] The sound a newbie makes as he falls to the bottom of a kill file. While it originated in the newsgroup talk.bizarre, this term (usually written “*plonk*”) is now (1994) widespread on Usenet as a form of public ridicule."

PLONK!

/johnny

243 posted on 08/16/2014 10:48:47 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Yardstick

Some of us don’t think the country can be redeemed. I am in that boat.

We cannot murder the unborn. We do not govern as free people. We have not figured out a way to get people such as those in Ferguson to participate in a civil society; what lies just beneath the surface is tribalism and a refusal to contribute. Ditto for gangbangers.

I don’t know what will come. I just know that this cannot continue indefinitely.


244 posted on 08/16/2014 10:52:18 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: papertyger
To take the thread back to the subject... policing is a political decision. Look at the word root to see where it comes from.

My political solution is to disarm most street cops, provide sufficient funding for a small, specialized armed force, and require the police to work themselves out of a job.

/johnny

245 posted on 08/16/2014 10:53:20 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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One more thing.

The level of corruption in DC is beyond the pale of decency. It can neither continue as is nor be rooted out by one election cycle—or two.


246 posted on 08/16/2014 10:54:25 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Yardstick
Exactly! This is the standard prepper mindset. You guys want collapse because you think it's the only way the country can be redeemed.

No, it's not. Was America supposed to capitulate to the soviets just because our best and brightest believed it would fall of its own internal contradictions?

Advising against listening those who knew the soviets could not maintain their empire without our help would have been, in retrospect, asinine.

247 posted on 08/16/2014 10:58:47 PM PDT by papertyger (Those who don't fight evil hate those who do)
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To: papertyger

I would add that collapsing the “zeitgeist” would have a lot of collateral damage beyond just the structures that deserve to be collapsed (or reformed). A collapse in the full SHTF sense would involve the whole nation and its people.


248 posted on 08/16/2014 10:59:29 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The police should police- protect and serve, build community relationships. If they do get overwhelmed by a riot situation the governor should call out the National Guard to regain control. That is my opinion. Police departments cannot function like your local law enforcement one moment and an army the next. If the LEO are handy enough or have enough different type of officers to make that work- community perception will not allow it to work very long. There is a limit to what people are willing to accept and many have reached that limit or getting close.

Perception of LEO right now is thugs playing army that are kicking in doors for possession of marijuana, parking tickets, etc. and often kicking the wrong doors in at that. Perception is LEO are killing family pets, wounding and killing innocent people left and right. That perception is an exaggeration of reality. I still believe most LEOs are not thugs by far,by but the militarization is not helping with public opinion.

The militarization of so many federal agencies is even worse, few agencies need armed personnel- even fewer need anything close to a SWAT team or a small army.


249 posted on 08/16/2014 11:01:36 PM PDT by Tammy8
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To: JRandomFreeper

Oh look, you’ve defined plonk. This is an attempt at ridicule, right?


250 posted on 08/16/2014 11:05:28 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Tammy8
Amen, Tammy.

My local police wind up doing a lot of stuff that probably isn't in the job description. Things like helping Animal Control (or taking over for them on the weekends) and code enforcement kind of stuff.

That isn't killing people and breaking things, which is what the military does.

/johnny

251 posted on 08/16/2014 11:08:35 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
policing is a political decision. Look at the word root to see where it comes from.

Take it back one step further: policy.

You create the police you need to enforce policy. As such, policy makers will ignore your suggested reforms as surely as a collectivist ignores individual liberties.

252 posted on 08/16/2014 11:09:45 PM PDT by papertyger (Those who don't fight evil hate those who do)
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To: papertyger
At some point, you just have to ignore the idiots and let them stew.

There won't be an answer to your hard question.

/johnny

253 posted on 08/16/2014 11:11:22 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: combat_boots
Some of us don’t think the country can be redeemed. I am in that boat.

I understand the sentiment. I just don't think anything constructive can come from it. I think it carries the risk of being self-fulfilling.

254 posted on 08/16/2014 11:14:44 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: papertyger
It's like raising children. You have to establish policy first.

My daughter has rules. No running, jumping, or touching each other in the house. She has them written on a board on the wall.

When I enforce those, I tell the grandkids to read them, and tell me which one they broke.

I didn't make the rules, I enforce them. I wouldn't enforce them if they didn't make sense.

But there is ONE policy now and forever, and it's hanging on the wall for me and the grandkids to read.

/johnny

255 posted on 08/16/2014 11:15:24 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Yardstick
I would add that collapsing the “zeitgeist” would have a lot of collateral damage beyond just the structures that deserve to be collapsed (or reformed).

You don't know that, it's strictly speculation on your part.

256 posted on 08/16/2014 11:16:36 PM PDT by papertyger (Those who don't fight evil hate those who do)
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To: papertyger
Policy makers don't ignore you when you show up at budget hearings. If you stay awake you get extra points.

They may ask you to explain parts to them.

/johnny

257 posted on 08/16/2014 11:23:38 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
You have to establish policy first.

But that doesn't mean you have to disclose the policy you establish, particularly if said policies would prove unpopular.

With that in mind, establishing a police presence that walks, talks, and swims like a duck would seem prima facie evidence you intend to move toward policies that require ducks to enforce them.

258 posted on 08/16/2014 11:26:37 PM PDT by papertyger (Those who don't fight evil hate those who do)
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To: papertyger

You should read the things that preppers write. It’s clear that they’re waiting for a total collapse that would drastically affect the life of every man, woman, and child.


259 posted on 08/16/2014 11:28:05 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: OneWingedShark
Have you noticed that the hard core 'thin blue line' crowd here on FR rarely goes past 200 replies? They can't even support their own that long. It may be wide, but that line is shallow.

/johnny

260 posted on 08/16/2014 11:30:07 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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