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To: jmacusa
Harrison Salisbury of the New York Slimes? I'll stick with Solzhenitsyn over NY Times "journalists." You claim to place a big premium on living there in regard to Spain. Who do you think lived under Lenin, Stalin and their successors---Solzhenitsyn or Salisbury? Hmmmmm?

You said you were finished with this conversation which translates as running away with your tail between your legs, I notice you have trouble keeping your word. No problem.

BTW, I do not "presume to know" you. I merely respond to what you decide to post here. That's fair game.

Forty years ago was 1974, AFTER the McGoverns seized control of the Demonrat Party. It was no longer the patriotic party of your grandpa or mine.

You find excuses for the communist "Republican" army to murder 7,000 priests, as well as many seminarians and their rape murder of entire convents of nuns. You seem to suggest that priests were involved in "turning in and denouncing their fellow Catholics." Did communist sources tell you that? Why would communists kill informers?

No, the probability is that the communists were upset when communists were reported to Franco. That is communists not "fellow Catholics." I don't give a damn whether they were baptized Catholic like most Spaniards as babies. What did those informed on do as adults? In our own time and in our own country, whatever they may say, neither Nancy Pelosi nor Kathleen Gilligan Sebelius nor John Did You Know He Served in Vietnam? Kerry nor the late Edward Moore Kennedy nor Rep. Rosa DeLauro nor many other poseurs are actually Catholic.

They are excommunicated latae sententiae for their support of abortion among other things. Your Spanish who may have been informed upon would have had the same status. Read Pope Pius XI's Quadrigesimo Anno and Pope Leo XIII's Rerum Novarum. Reporting communist-leaning "Catholics" to Franco requires the response: Viva Cristo Rey!

As to Skorzeny, he does not seem to have played a major role with Juan Peron, but he does seem to have lived a very interesting life. It would make a great movie. He had the responsibility of saving Mussolini in 1843, was unsuccessful in his attempt to kidnap Josef Broz Tito (had it been otherwise he might have had the noble task of exterminating Tito who certainly deserved it). He forced the resignation of Admiral Horthy in Hungary by kidnapping his son. See also as to Tito, the book and movie Eleni, by journalist Nicholas Gage (ca. 1985) which richly details the reasons.

Skorzeny also had the privilege of fighting and killing the communists of Russia on the Eastern Front (something that always seems to bother you, tovarisch. He was tried by a war crimes tribunal at Dachau at the end of the war merely for wearing and ordering his men to wear stolen American uniforms in the runup to a battle in which they wore their German uniforms. When a British war hero testified for the defense that such behavior was also common among Allied troops, Skorzeny was promptly acquitted.

In 1952 when General Reinhard Gehlen, formerly a major intelligence figure on the Eastern Front under Hitler and under Adenauer and who was NEVER a Nazi, was working for the CIA, Skorzeny worked under him. Skorzeny, Gehlen, AND Adenauer were all Catholics. Gehlen was a Knight of Malta. Skorzeny had been adjudged to have been de-Nazified.

He served as a bodyguard for Juan and Eva Peron and was probably a superb choice given his resume. Skorzeny had post-war warts. He did work to get former colleagues in the war to Latin America and apparently had not given up on re-creating the Nazi movement. Nathan Bedford Forrest had a similar attitude about re-creating the Confederacy after the late unpleasantness between the states. Forrest was an honorable man occasionally given to foolish fantasy. Ditto Skorzeny.

BTW, Otto Skorzeny was never a general but topped out at colonel.

You lean toward Stilwell who imagined that he was empowered to take from Chiang Kai Shek control over the Chinese military. Stilwell was fired from his position in China after years of futility and insubordination and constant controversy with allies such as Chiang. No loss. He got along with NO ONE but no one died and left him dictator in China whatever he may have hallucinated. He did win "The Battle of Alcatraz" in which he used US Marines to take Alcatraz back from prisoner control during the revolt of the prisoners. Maybe he could have gotten along with Tito. We'll never know.

Ngo Dinh Diem never married. I think you mean his sister in law (Madame Nhu as she was known) married to his brother Ngo Dinh Nhu who was head of the secret police (who blew out the brains of a communist in an alleyway and was photographed doing it if you remember).

His brother Ngo Dinh Thuc was Archbishop of Hue and primate of Vietnam. Ngo Dinh Diem and Ngo Dinh Nhu were assassinated after attending Mass by Vietnamese military men (Buddhists) by soldiers working for General Duong Van Minh during an overthrow of the government. The Kennedy administration effectively approved the assassination in that Henry Cabot Lodge the Younge (aka Henry Sabotage) approved it as US Ambassador to South Vietnam. He reported the coming assassination to Roger Hilsman at the Southeast Asian desk at the State Department.

Ngo Dinh Diem was a martyr. He will not be canonized as a saint because his brother, the Archbishop, claimed that the Vatican also approved the assassination (of which there is no evidence) and became the leader of an international schism. OTOH, how did Diem's assassination benefit the West or benefit Vietnam? The liberal democrats and the liberal Henry Cabot Lodge were itchy because Buddhists were protesting and the liberals wanted to be inclusive. Then 50,000 Americans died. Liberalism as usual.

See A Death in November regarding the assassinations.

When you were busy voting for Jimmuh Peanut in 1976 (many years later) and being a liberal Democrat after the McGovernite takeover of your party, I was a Reagan State Chairman against Feckless Ford. If Cahtuh had faced Reagan in 1976, he would never have been POTUS to your grave disappointment. It is good for liberals to convert and vote the right vote, at least in 1980 and 1984, but it ill behooves the converts to instruct the faithful who created the partisanship that attracted them.

As to credentials in history, I graduated magna cum laude with a B. A. in History. Did you?

I then took a J. D. at a major law school. I spent about 25 years practicing law and represented 1100 arrested very militant pro-lifers most charged with felonies of whom about 30 were convicted of anything and most of those convictions were infractions, the equivalent of a parking ticket. Most of the thirty refused to pay fines or sign papers for their release from custody and had any attempt to collect dismissed. The rest either won at trial or had their entire cases dismissed. The heroic resistance of the defendants earns most of the credit for the results.

I note that you have not taken me up on matching resumes as conservatives. No surprise. The previous paragraph is a very small sample of mine. You also seem to substitute name-calling for argument. Always a tipoff.

48 posted on 08/18/2014 8:11:37 PM PDT by BlackElk (u)
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To: BlackElk
First of all Poindexter my tail isn't between my legs but your head is stuck up in a place where the sun doesn't shine.I'm not running away from a conversation, I'm trying to get away from you and your convoluted logic.I keep telling you to take a walk and you keep coming back. Further more I don't have match my conservatives bona fides to anyone, least of all you. I also told you I used to vote a straight Democrat ticket, Carter,Mondale(I don't think even Wally voted for himself but I did.) I voted for Dukakis and Clinton. I voted for him twice. I did vote for Reagan in'80 though, only because I was sick of Carter. I also told you a conservative is a liberal who was mugged. 9/11 mugged me. I believe in limited government, low taxes , The Second Amendment and a strong military. I believe marriage is between one man and one woman and that homosexuality is an abomination before God and nature. I believe that although abortion is a medical procedure that may save a woman's life( I'd like to see the stats on that, sounds fishy to me) but I think abortion on demand is murder. Hell I believe in prayer in school because chasing God out of the classroom sure didn't usher in the Age of Reason. And get this trough your thick skull Poindexter I loath communism and fascism and any and all forms of totalitarianism. Show me where I've said otherwise other then your obsession to say I am. And this obsession with 7.000 priests. I told you that was a tragedy of history but as I also told their blood is on many hands. You're a lawyer, research the whole story. As to SS Major Skorzeny he had quite a lot to do with helping Peron consolidate his power. Skorzeny trained Peron's police in many forms of Nazi interrogation and torture methods and he was screwing Evita on the side. He also had a base of operations in Madrid in WW2 under Franco. Skorzeny was Hitlers favorite commando and during WW2 he was considered ''the most dangerous man in Europe. Hitler gave him the ''privilege'' of killing communists? He also gave Skorzeny the ''privilege'' of killing Americans during The Battle of The Bulge too you moron. This is what I mean by your convoluted arguments and your inability or unwillingness to see the irony in the positions you take. You call yourself a conservative and you venerate dictators. If you feel Skorzeny was given the'' privilege'' of killing communists and America soldiers by Hitler then by rights you think highly of Hitler. You're not a conservative, you're a Nazi sympathizer , how dare you question my conservatism. You accuse me of name calling and yet your whole tone is one of conceit, condescension and gratuitous aspersions. I'm not responding to you anymore, you're a looney.
49 posted on 08/19/2014 3:41:51 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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