Posted on 08/12/2014 9:14:52 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
It's a case of he said, he said. The accounts of why a police officer fatally shot Michael Brown on a street in Ferguson, Missouri, this weekend couldn't be more disparate.
One side says the teenager was surrendering, his hands in the air to show he was unarmed, when the officer opened fire. Authorities counter that Brown attacked the officer in his car and tried to take his gun....
Here's what CNN has learned ...
Brown and a friend were walking to Harris' house, his mother and grandmother said, when a Ferguson police officer confronted them.
This is where the stories part ways.
Dorian Johnson told CNN affiliate KTVI that he and Brown were walking in the middle of the street, and the officer told them to use the sidewalk....
There was an exchange of words, witness Piaget Crenshaw told the station, and the officer exited his vehicle and fired a shot. Both teens ran, Crenshaw said.
Johnson told KTVI he hid behind a car, but Brown stopped after a second shot was fired. Brown held up his hands to show he wasn't armed, Johnson and Crenshaw said, and the officer shot him twice.
"(The officer) shot again and once my friend felt that shot, he turned around and put his hands in the air," Johnson told KMOV. "He started to get down and the officer still approached with his weapon drawn and fired several more shots."
That Brown was unarmed seems undisputed -- St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said every casing found at the scene was from the officer's weapon -- but he said in a Sunday news conference that Brown was not an innocent victim.
"The genesis of this was a physical confrontation," said Belmar ....
(Excerpt) Read more at edition.cnn.com ...
Just ask the guy run over by Tony Stewart.
Yes I am —
Please explain
Same here. Though when in contact with either, I have a slightly better chance of a good outcome with one of the specific groups rather than the other.
Well, we don’t really have any evidence in yet.
We don’t know exactly what happened yet.
All we can do is say what “might” have happened to try and match what people say they saw.
I don’t see any point in running with anything as factual, yet.
For a scenario:
There could have been a struggle for the officer’s gun at the police car door. The officer’s gun could have become dislodged in that struggle. The officer then gets his backup gun and shoots Brown. Brown runs away, the officer shoots him a few more times.
Why? Because a gun is still missing and Brown is running away and the officer thinks Brown has taken the gun.
In reality, the gun is just lost somewhere in the car or on the ground under the car.
Just a possible example that could explain what everyone saw and heard.
Your scenario is BS --
Read the article and the facts that the police chief affirms and the facts that he won't touch with a ten foot pole.
“Reports”
this is not directed towards you omegatoo, but when the media and/or “rights groups” use the word reports, REPORTS like the Duke Lacrosse case. Or REPORTS like the Trayvon Case?
Merriam - Webster Dictionary circa 2009
Reports
: lies used by all media outlets for social justice advancement
: to incite racism and hatred via lies and half truths
Reminds of this video of a hawk in the grips of a bull snake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV0cMf61urs
Bull snake crawled away very ticked off and the hawk flew upward and onward!
I assume that would be grounds for arrest, not execution.
A scenario is not intended to be factual, so how can it be BS?
I’ll wait until more reports come in.
There’s too much hollering and ranting going on right now.
Things will calm down and we’ll get more info.
“I’m pretty sure assaulting and trying to take a cop’s gun (if it happened) is a major felony. You don’t get to just walk away from that.”
“I assume that would be grounds for arrest, not execution.”
You’d be shot before you could be arrested, though. And rightly so if you were trying to get control of an officer’s sidearm.
Fair enough.
Then you know that animals don’t fall where you shoot them. But your jump to judgment shows a lack of judgment. Wait until the facts are in before judging this.
really? You mean pointing the gun at the perp with a distance between him and you is not enough? You would take him out too?
Kid: Yes Officer. Sorry. Have a nice day.
In my world that’s what happens. My Parent’s taught me common sense.
No way I would have an “exchange of words”, which I assume to be much more than what I wrote above with a Police Officer when I was a teenager.
You're assuming a lot, I'm assuming a lot, right now we're all assuming a lot. But what if the conversation went something like this:
Officer: BOY! Get your colored a$$ out of the Middle of the Street, it’s dangerous. Get on the sidewalk.
Kid: (Whispering to his friend) That fat f_ck just called me "boy."
Officer: What did you call me, BOY???
In my world, I've witnessed too many lying a-hole cops to give them the benefit of the doubt. I'll wait until all the facts are in before I draw conclusions.
Do you even read before commenting --
No one was hit by the one shot fired from the front seat.
The police chief even affirmed that.
It is the first of many facts that we already know and that you apparently don't.
If Brown was trying to get the officer's sidearm then it happened in the car, becasuse police are saying one round was fired in the vehicle. Brown was shot 35 feet away from the car so any struggle was over. Brown had not been successful; the officer still had his gun, He was no longer trying to get the officer's gun but instead was trying to flee. Any threat to the officer's safety was over and instead he shot an unarmed man who was no threat at the time.
“I assume that would be grounds for arrest, not execution. “
Execution implies that you have control over someone. Resisting arrest and fleeing is something else.
Either way, we shall see.
If I thought he had my missing sidearm, I might.
Again, that’s just a possible scenario.
The officer had “a” gun. Many carry a backup if they lose their sidearm.
I believe in this case, the 'assault' on the officer involved the police cruiser's door. When the officer backed up, he opened his cruiser door and attempted to exit and confront the men. Did he do so slowly and deliberately, or quickly?
I need to check my sources, but I believe one of the official stories stated that Brown used the cruiser door to strike the officer and knock him back toward the cruiser.
The 'eyewitness' stories are that, after backing up, the officer flung the cruiser door open as he attempted to quickly exit the cruiser, and the door struck Brown and bounced back (as it would, with a kid the size of Brown). It could be that Brown helped that bounce, but I can also imagine the policeman striking Brown with the door and the door bouncing back.
The 'eyewitness' story is that the policeman then drew his handgun, put Brown in a headlock with his other arm, and pulled Brown back to the car. Allegedly, the police officer accidentally discharged the weapon as Brown was struggling to get out of the headlock - with no fight over the weapon.
We don't know.
Other eyewitness statements are that, after Brown was shot and on the ground with his hands up, the officer walked closer to him and shot him several more times.
I don't trust either side completely, but the official statements are parsed and, as you say, refuse to address some facts with a ten-foot pole.
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