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POLICE AND RIOTS

Posted on 08/12/2014 4:47:26 AM PDT by 7thson

I have read some about the riots goind on due to the shooting death of Michael Brown and it started me thinking of something. I do not want anyone reading this post to think I sympathize with the rioters. I do not. But I think we should start to seriously question eitehr the training of police or how they recruit.

I do not know how this esculated into a shooting. I have read and heard that police ordered a kid to walk on the sidewalk and not the street and it got nasty from there. However, not a week goes by that a story hits the news about some bad action by a police officer. Whether it is beating up a homeless woman, a mistaken home entry, shooting a dog (lots of those), whatever. If it was always in one city or local, than a person could say something is wrong with the police procedures or leadership of that area. But when it happens across the nation, that leads me to think that something is seriously wrong with either police training procedures or the type of people that become police officers.

What say you Freepers?


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: michaelbrown; missouri; police; riots
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To: dfwgator
What I'd like to know or get verification of is whether the black kid was indeed fighting the police officer.

I heard one report early on that he was duke’n it out with an officer. Have not heard this since. That would be a little tiny detail that makes all the difference in the world, but unfortunately the liberal media will continue to strum the harp of racism and bury the actual details.

Anyone else hear the kid was fighting with an officer? When did he simply put his hands in the air as reported? Did the officer actually shoot him when his hands were raised in the air?

81 posted on 08/12/2014 6:24:10 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: 7thson

In reality the conversation would be much different in the hood. Once you drive up and ask them to move to the sidewalk, he will then turn his back to you and give you one of many hand jesters to tell you he ain’t listening. When you tell him to get out of the street, not so nicely this time, he will turn to you and ask what your punk ass is going to do. Now it’s your turn. What is your next move? This happens all the time.


82 posted on 08/12/2014 6:27:04 AM PDT by DeWalt (Times are more like they used to be than they are today.)
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To: SgtHooper
Nobody on earth is more annoyed by idiots wandering in the middle of the street than I am. It happens in my neighborhood EVERY DAY... That being said, who gave the police the authority to "order" citizens to move out of their way?
I honk and harass them until they move. If someday I am attacked for doing so, I will defend myself.
The story here seems to be the Police officer ordered the man out of the street and was ignored. Then, instead of moving on to some legitimate piece of business, escalated the situation by getting out of the car for a physical confrontation.
Who's fault is that?
walking in the street isn't a criminal act, but not immediately complying with a cop's "orders" may get you shot? And that's okay?
I'm not defending the decedent's actions, but there is something fundamentally wrong with this concept.
83 posted on 08/12/2014 6:27:48 AM PDT by Hugh the Scot ( Total War)
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To: oh8eleven

A quick search on the words heard and read. Post 3 by ilovesarah2012, post 38 by riverrunner, post 40 by Roman War Criminal. Are they inflaming the situation? No. They are just stating what they have heard or read on the news or from the newspapers. That is all where we get our news from. Tell you what. Why don’t you go down to the area and get a first hand report. And then when we talk about it, we can say we read or heard from oh8eleven that this and this happened. Oh wait - can’t do that. I would be inflaming the situation.


84 posted on 08/12/2014 6:28:36 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: Salgak
"Their own side. Thug-cops will try to become local warlords."

Sure seemed that way in New Orleans...going door to door taking up the peoples firearms... and whatever else they could find... Pretty much like any other thug...

85 posted on 08/12/2014 6:29:14 AM PDT by unread (Rescind the 17th. Amendment...bring the power BACK to the states...!)
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To: Hugh the Scot

Jaywalking is against the law.


86 posted on 08/12/2014 6:29:54 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: rdcbn

Cartman: “Do not question my authoritay!”


87 posted on 08/12/2014 6:32:44 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Rumplemeyer
"when you deal with the dregs of society on a daily basis, it wears on you ..."

There's definitely an impact. My cousin, now a retired State Trooper, worked narcotics for a while. During an arrest one item found on a suspect was a photo of his wife dropping their young daughter off at kindergarten, suggesting they were potential targets of the drug ring. It's hard to just put that behind you and assume the best when dealing with a new situation.

88 posted on 08/12/2014 6:38:14 AM PDT by ken in texas
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To: elpadre

Well said!

As with any profession, there are always a few bad apples. Human nature.

I get so sick of the police haters here. Yesterday, I even saw a poster refer to the police as the “pigs”, which was the term used by radical hippies in the late 1960s and ‘70s.

Seems like another Alinsky goal has been reached if the populace starts attacking those who have sworn to protect us.

Ever since the Edward Snowden affair came to light, I can’t help thinking that there has been a deliberate campaign to make us doubt all of the intelligence community, to put us in a perpetual state of confusion and mistrust.

Of course, when the economy and society are in tatters, the dictatorship will be inevitable.


89 posted on 08/12/2014 6:39:42 AM PDT by Bigg Red (31 May 2014: Obamugabe officially declares the USA a vanquished subject of the Global Caliphate.)
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To: rdcbn
A story I read in the news a couple years back. Police team breaks down the door to a guys house to arrest him. He is a pedophile dealing in child pornography. Except its the wrong guy. The pedophile lived next door and was piggybacking on the wrong guys internet. Is anything wrong here?

I say yes. First, they are dealing with a pedo, not a gang banger. Why the SWAT team? Go to the guys place of employment, pick him up off the street, do something else instead of disrupting the neighborhood and scaring everyone else.

Do I have a certain hostility to police? A little. Remember how they were pointing their weapons at citizens in Boston? They are not our friends. I will call them - and have - if something bad is going down but I don't trust them. Not by a long shot.

90 posted on 08/12/2014 6:44:44 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: dfwgator

I have no clue...

free television sets... how nice. So because some young man dies... the locals feel they can get free stuff.

I will say that living in Los Angeles, I had a guy, late one night probably around 12:00 in the morning, not black, but hispanic, leisurely walking across the street. I was stopped and fishing for something on my floor. My light had turned green and he was walking as if he was a turtle, halfway to the other side. I did not honk my horn. I mistakenly started to advance, as you sometimes do when your eye catches that the light has turned green.. I was still a good 50 feet from him. When he saw that I had accelerated, he stopped dead stop in front of me and started advancing towards my car.. I then swerved to get around him and he ran, quite fast, again in front of my car to block me from moving... I swerved around him again and this time was able to get away from this nut... A very young man, I might add... but probably between 20 and 30....not a teenager.

This was most likely a criminal type, and he felt he owned that little piece of street.


91 posted on 08/12/2014 6:45:06 AM PDT by Chuzzlewit
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To: bboop

+1


92 posted on 08/12/2014 6:45:30 AM PDT by Bigg Red (31 May 2014: Obamugabe officially declares the USA a vanquished subject of the Global Caliphate.)
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To: servantboy777

Be careful - oh8eleven will charge you with inflaming the situation with what you “heard.”


93 posted on 08/12/2014 6:45:59 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: Bigg Red

I swear sometimes I feel like I’ve wondered into DU.


94 posted on 08/12/2014 6:47:12 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

I am sorry you feel that way concerning this thread. I live in a rural county in Maryland. The local police have a SWAT team. We have no large urban city mass in our county. Why is there a SWAT team? Who will they use it against?


95 posted on 08/12/2014 6:53:24 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: dfwgator

Jaywalking is against the RULES. It’s a term that also primarily applies to crossing a street, not walking parallel to the flow of traffic. Not considered a capital offense in most jurisdictions, and a total waste of scarce public resources for an officer to pursue a confrontation over.


96 posted on 08/12/2014 7:03:06 AM PDT by Hugh the Scot ( Total War)
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To: Hugh the Scot

Rules? If you can get a ticket for it, it’s a LAW!


97 posted on 08/12/2014 7:03:53 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: DaveA37

Wait, let’s not let facts get in the way of emotions.....


98 posted on 08/12/2014 7:12:55 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: caver
Every federal agency has some sort of law enforcement wing.

Make that `every federal agency has some sort of armed law enforcement wing'. Even the Department of Education has an armed wing.

99 posted on 08/12/2014 7:13:48 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi (NOPe to GOPe)
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To: 7thson
You know, I see people walk in the street all the time. And for the life of me, I am dumbfounded as to the why. There is a perfectly good sidewalk and people walk beside the sidewalk in the street.

I guess the place to start is to determine whether there is a law on the books in this community that restricts walking on the street. The law has to exist before it can be enforced.

100 posted on 08/12/2014 7:17:59 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi (NOPe to GOPe)
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