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Who Are These ISIS Guys and Why Is Obama Willing to Bomb Them?
pjmedia.com ^ | 8/7/2014 | Michael Ledeen

Posted on 08/08/2014 8:54:22 AM PDT by rktman

It may well be that ISIS is one of at least two too-clever-by-half operations masterminded by our enemies. At the beginning, ISIS spun off from Al Qaeda because, we were told, Zawahari was too moderate for them. AQ didn’t slaughter enough, didn’t crucify enough, wasn’t psychotic enough for their taste.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airstrikeonisis; alkider; isis; isisiraq; isissyria; ledeen; mccain; terrywrist
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To: MrB

Those people were individually brought into a room, shown their internet records, and given an ultimatum.


21 posted on 08/08/2014 9:08:37 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: MrB

No one objects to what Valerie Jarret wants...and please don’t call me Shirley.


22 posted on 08/08/2014 9:10:48 AM PDT by LivingNet
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To: NEMDF

If this man had been president during the Holocaust, he would have watched (according to Biden, TV was in use then) the Jews being rounded up and loaded on the trains. Heck - he would have watched them being herded into the gas chambers and the ovens.

He feels the same toward Christians as he does Jews and he just can’t bring himself to take action that might harm the beasts in Iraq and elsewhere in that region. This man is beyond revolting and disgusting!!!


23 posted on 08/08/2014 9:11:17 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: LivingNet

I was expecting that earlier...


24 posted on 08/08/2014 9:11:41 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SevenofNine

I have trouble believing that narrative. Al Qaeda routinely rapes little boys. If there’s any disagreement between ISIS and AQ, it’s solely political.


25 posted on 08/08/2014 9:11:46 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Paul46360

“THAT IS THE POINT..HE IS FORCED TO.
Once again he is forced to do something..not of his own PRE-empting..kind of like “aww gee people do I have to do this...””

1) These are Christians being slaughtered, and it was already hitting his approval ratings, even if he didn’t give a damn about them. You will note that there is no “Operation such-and-such” name for this?

My conspiracy theory......
2) There was a danger that PUTIN could act unilaterally to save the Christians. There were rumbling about this on twitter.
The aircraft Russia gave Baghdad are already active in Iraq, and there are already Russian Advisors on the ground.

Can you just imagine the reaction in the world media had Putin acted to save Christians being slaughtered by Muzzies, while Obama had not??


26 posted on 08/08/2014 9:13:50 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

bttt


27 posted on 08/08/2014 9:15:37 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: NEMDF

Agreed. He’s got a lot of blood on his hands and the whole world knows it.


28 posted on 08/08/2014 9:23:04 AM PDT by cripplecreek ("Moderates" are lying manipulative bottom feeding scum.)
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To: rktman

I doubt that he is bombing his friends. So far the only bombing that I have heard reported was a couple five-hundred pounders on a single artillery piece. We should be carpet bombing them.


29 posted on 08/08/2014 9:23:38 AM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: SevenofNine

Heh.

When al-Qaeda and the Taliban are saying, “Hey....you guys need to relax - you’re getting a little extreme, don’t you think” that might be a sign that IS is filled to the rafters with wackadoodle psychopathic thrill-seeking adventurers.


30 posted on 08/08/2014 9:24:35 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: DownInFlames

Please elaborate .....source. Thanks!


31 posted on 08/08/2014 9:25:11 AM PDT by yoe (Quqon)
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To: rktman
SEND IN THE HASHTAGS!!!

32 posted on 08/08/2014 9:50:33 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: rktman
America, from its beginnings, understood that conflicting ideas might sometimes threaten America. One such historical incident which might be consulted relates to Thomas Jefferson in the matter of the Barbary Coast see and other Presidents who fully understood their Constitutional responsibility for the defense of America.

John Quincy Adams, on the 50th Anniversary of the Inauguration of Washington, traced the history of the Republic to that point. Every American should read that "Jubilee" Address in its entirety in order to have a historical perspective on the founding philosophy and early history, from one who lived in that time--not from some later "historian" who revised it to fit a then-current agenda. It is available here . Today's events, however, can be put into better historical perspective if the Barbary Coast matter and Adams' remarks concerning both the Barbary Coast events and other related affairs in this excerpted portion of his Address are considered:

The Jubilee of the Constitution

A DISCOURSE

Delivered at the Request of

The New York Historical Society

In the City of New York,

On Tuesday, the 30th of April, 1839

Being the Fiftieth Anniversary

Of the

INAUGURATION OF GEORGE WASHINGTON

as

President of the United States

on Thursday, 30th of April, 1789.

by

John Quincy Adams

 

(Eldest son of John Adams, born in 1767, served as Minister to the Netherlands under President Washington, as minister to Prussia and to Russia, as Secretary of State, and as U.S. Senator. He was the Sixth President of the United States and from 1830 until his death in 1848 was a United States Congressman)

“The motive for the Declaration of Independence was on its face avowed to be "a decent respect for the opinions of mankind." Its purpose to declare the causes which impelled the people of the English colonies on the continent of North America, to separate themselves from the political community of the British nation. They declare only, the causes of their separation, but they announce at the same time their assumption of the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, among the powers of the earth.

“Thus their first movement is to recognize and appeal to the laws of nature and to nature's God, for their right to assume the attributes of sovereign power as an independent nation.

“The causes of their necessary separation, for they begin and end by declaring it necessary, alleged in the Declaration, are all founded on the same laws of nature and of nature's God - and hence as preliminary to the enumeration of the causes of separation, they set forth as self-evident truths, the rights of individual man, by the laws of nature and of nature's God, to life, to liberty, to the pursuit of happiness. That all men are created equal. That to secure the rights of life, liberty and the pursuits of happiness, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. All this is by the laws of nature and of nature's God, and of course presupposes the existence of a God, the moral ruler of the universe, and a rule of right and wrong, of just and unjust, binding upon man, preceding all institutions of human society and of government. It avers, also, that governments are instituted to secure these rights of nature and of nature's God, and that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of those ends, it is the right of THE PEOPLE to alter, or to abolish it, and to institute a new government - to throw off a government degenerating into despotism, and to provide new guards for their future security. They proceed then to say that such was then the situation of the Colonies, and such the necessity which constrained them to alter their former systems of government.”

____________________

 

“The Declaration of Independence recognized the European law of nations, as practiced among Christian nations, to be that by which they considered themselves bound, and of which they claimed the rights. This system is founded upon the principle, that the state of nature between men and between nations, is a state of peace. But there was a Mahometan law of nations, which considered the state of nature as a state of war - an Asiatic law of nations, which excluded all foreigners from admission within the territories of the state - a colonial law of nations, which excluded all foreigners from admission within the colonies - and a savage Indian law of nations, by which the Indian tribes within the bounds of the United States, were under their protection, though in a condition of undefined dependence upon the governments of the separate states. With all these different communities, the relations of the United States were from the time when they had become an independent nation, variously modified according to the operation of those various laws. It was the purpose of the Constitution of the United States to establish justice over them all.

 

“The commercial and political relations of the Union with the Christian European nations, were principally with Great Britain, France, and Spain, and considerably with the Netherlands and Portugal. With all these there was peace; but with Britain and Spain, controversies involving the deepest interests and the very existence of the nation, were fermenting, and negotiations of the most humiliating character were pending, from which the helpless imbecility of the confederation afforded no prospect of relief. With the other European states there was scarcely any intercourse. The Baltic was an unknown sea to our navigators, and all the rich and classical regions of the Mediterranean were interdicted to the commercial enterprise of our merchants, and the dauntless skill of our mariners, by the Mahometan merciless warfare of the Barbary powers. Scarcely had the peace of our independence been concluded, when three of our merchant-vessels had been captured by the corsairs of Algiers, and their crews, citizens of the Union, had been pining for years in slavery, appealing to their country for redemption, in vain. Nor was this all. By the operation of this state of things, all the shores of the Black sea, of the whole Mediterranean, of the islands on the African coast, of the southern ports of France, of all Spain and of Portugal, were closed against our commerce, as if they had been hermetically sealed; while Britain, everywhere our rival and competitor was counteracting by every stimulant within her power every attempt on our part to compound by tribute with the Barbarian for peace.

 

Great Britain had also excluded us from all commerce in our own vessels with her colonies, and France, notwithstanding her alliance with us during the war, had after the conclusion of the peace adopted the same policy. She was jealous of our aggrandizement, fearful of our principles, linked with Spain in the project of debarring us from the navigation of the Mississippi, and settled in the determination to shackle us in the development of the gigantic powers which, with insidious sagacity, she foresaw might be abused.

 

“Notwithstanding all these discouragements, the inextinguishable spirit of freedom, which had carried your forefathers through the exterminating war of the Revolution, was yet unsuppressed. At the very time when the nerveless confederacy could neither protect nor redeem their sailors from Algerian captivity, the floating city of the Taho beheld the stripes and stars of the Union, opening to the breeze from a schooner of thirty tons, and inquired where was the ship of which that frail fabric was doubtless the tender. The Southern ocean was stiff vexed with the harpoons of their whalemen; but Britain excluded their oil, by prohibitory duties and the navigation act, from her markets, and the more indulgent liberality of France would consent to the illumination of her cities by the quakers of Nantucket, only upon condition that they should forsake their native island, and become the naturalized denizens of Dunkirk.

 

“In the same year, when the Convention at Philadelphia was occupied in preparing the Constitution of the United States for the consideration of the people, two vessels, called the Columbia and the Washington, fitted out by a company of merchants at Boston, sailed upon a voyage combining the circumnavigation of the globe, discovery upon the shores of the Pacific ocean, and the trade with the savages of the Sandwich islands, and with the celestial empire of China, all in one undertaking. The result of this voyage was the discovery of the Columbia river, so named from the ship which first entered within her capes, since unjustly confounded with the fabulous Oregon or river of the West, but really securing to the United States the right of prior discovery, and laying the foundation of the right of extension of our territory from the Atlantic to the Pacific ocean.”

33 posted on 08/08/2014 9:53:14 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: loveliberty2

bttt


34 posted on 08/08/2014 9:54:06 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: Organic Panic

Hashbrowns? Or in the case of the lyin’ king, just plain hash.


35 posted on 08/08/2014 9:54:15 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: NEMDF

I think the bombing commenced and he actually did find out about it when someone told him it was happening. Then he was given the choice of ordering it halted or taking credit for it. Ordering a halt would be politically really bad news. He can maybe get away with declining to help but cutting off in progress help against open genocide that is getting the voters’ attention in a big way won’t cut it.


36 posted on 08/08/2014 9:55:29 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: NEMDF

I think the bombing commenced and he actually did find out about it when someone told him it was happening. Then he was given the choice of ordering it halted or taking credit for it. Ordering a halt would be politically really bad news. He can maybe get away with declining to help but cutting off in progress help against open genocide that is getting the voters’ attention in a big way won’t cut it.


37 posted on 08/08/2014 9:55:29 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: loveliberty2

It would be cast aside as something written by old white slave owning guys. Even if they never owned a slave. Nice piece from my point of view. Does anybody even wonder where the phrase “from the shores of Tripoli” in the Marine Corps song came from? :>}


38 posted on 08/08/2014 9:57:58 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

You know your group is bad when one part of the group is that bad on treating people you know you really big a***holes


39 posted on 08/08/2014 10:05:38 AM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: rktman

Rush said that Obama only want to help his friends the Yazidis and not any other Christians.

“Yazidi, also commonly spelled Yezidi, is an ancient Kurdish-based religion with historic links to Zoroastrianism, which was founded in what is now Iran. The sect has developed into a separate religion over the centuries: Modern Yazidi recognize a supreme being responsible for creating the Earth, which is overseen by seven angels, according to Christine Allison, a professor of Arab and Islamic Studies at Exeter University in England and author of “The Yezidi Oral Tradition in Iraqi Kurdistan.”


40 posted on 08/08/2014 10:07:43 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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