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Libertarian Folly: Why Everybody is a Social-issues Voter
American Thinker ^ | 08/07/2014 | Selwyn Duke

Posted on 08/07/2014 7:54:02 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

There is this notion, one we hear more and more, that the Republican Party has to shed the social issues to seize the future. “Social issues are not the business of government!” says thoroughly modern millennial. It’s a seductive cry, one repeated this past Tuesday in an article about how some young libertarians dubbed the “Liberty Kids” are taking over the moribund Los Angeles GOP. Oh, wouldn’t the political landscape be simple if we could just boil things down to fiscal responsibility? But life is seldom simple.

If you would claim to be purely fiscal, or assert that “social issues” should never be government’s domain, I’d ask a simple question: would you have no problem with a movement to legalize pedophilia?

Some responses here won’t go beyond eye-rolling and scoffing. Others will verbalize their incredulity and say that such a movement would never be taken seriously. This is not an answer but a dodge. First, the way to determine if one’s principles are sound is by seeing if they can be consistently applied. For instance, if someone claims he never judges others, it’s legitimate to ask whether he remains uncritical even of Nazis and KKK members; that puts the lie to his self-image. And any thinking person lives an examined life and tries to hone his principles.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: conservatism; duke; homosexualagenda; libertarian; libtardians; moralabsolutes; socialissues
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To: PGR88
There were few controls on Marijuana in the 1920's

We can be like Mexico! MORE drugs! More drug cartels! THAT'S the ticket!

101 posted on 08/07/2014 10:18:00 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Boogieman; ansel12

ansell12 said...... “Nonsense, libertarianism is about being left wing except on economics.”

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Actually, one can easily see where libs are even wrong on economic issues as well. More often than not libertards are wetting themselves with glee over pro-dope laws in Colorado, and pointing to the huge tax revenues that legal marijuana generates.

The fact that more taxes leads to more spending which leads to bigger government does not escape liberaltarians. No, they relish it.


102 posted on 08/07/2014 10:20:27 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: i_robot73; Beagle8U; redgolum; trisham; Morgana; Responsibility2nd; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; ...
It’s the crippling of social-ital issues from the crushing taxation of the Nanny State, not the other way around.

Nonsense, the abortion/contraception culture stems from the eugenics movement of the late 19th and early 20th century, Margaret Sanger was involved in the movement BEFORE the 16th Amendment was passed. The homosexual agenda got it's real start with the Kinsey Report in 1948.

103 posted on 08/07/2014 10:23:53 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: trisham

>Yes, I think I see your point. Ending abortion is hard, and not really that important.<

Not really that important...It is to an unborn child about to be pulverized in the womb.


104 posted on 08/07/2014 10:24:18 AM PDT by bimboeruption (REMEMBER MISSISSIPPI!)
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To: bimboeruption

?


105 posted on 08/07/2014 10:26:01 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee

Well said.


106 posted on 08/07/2014 10:27:25 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

What don’t you understand?


107 posted on 08/07/2014 10:33:07 AM PDT by bimboeruption (REMEMBER MISSISSIPPI!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
I've read the libertarian party platform. Can't find the part where it endorses pedophilia. Maybe you can point it out.

And the number of Google search results aren't much of a gauge of anything. Googling conservative racist gets 13 million hits, so it must be six times truer, right?

108 posted on 08/07/2014 10:34:39 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels"-- Tom Waits)
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To: All

Nice straw man you got there. (C) sure LOVE to equate (L) with NO gov’t, out of control drug use, etc. I’m still waiting for the Nazi flag to be hoisted.

I’ve NEVER seen any (L) espousing/endorsing NAMBLA type of actions. I suspect, as in any group, there are fringe elements and/or hoisting the banner in name only.

But, let’s take your example (child rape). Again, not that I’ve read/seen any (L) ‘allowing’ [as to their ‘too young to consent’ as one point], but in the age before the leviathan of the Nanny State, those in town took care of/disappeared their own problems. They also ran the anti-Const. pols out of town on a rail. Course, in these these ‘good ol’ days of yore’ these same people did some looking-down/actions upon those of mixed-couples, the Irish, the negro, the..., etc. It all was still considered ‘taking care of their own’, and didn’t require any gov’t to administer...when correct/proper.

Lastly, RE: morphine/etc. You mean, life went on ALL THOSE YEARS w/out the strong arm, and shoulder, of Uncle Sugar to make the ‘bad things’ disappear? Oh, wait, those things haven’t gone away? AND, the good those products did have been removed from the everyday use they used to enjoy? Instead of the Responsibility that Liberty/Freedom brought, We the People now must ask permission from the licensees (the Fed ‘approves’ drug XYZ, the licensed ‘doctor’ can Rx, and the licensed Rx can dispense) to ‘cure’ a headache, use for a toothache, temper pain from a wound (just a few examples of the uses of the ‘bad’ things from the recent past).

The reference to Prohibition is the classic example; as is the current WoD...because it’s STILL valid to show the problem with gov’t ‘solutions’. Boy, if you can’t see that distinction...


109 posted on 08/07/2014 10:36:20 AM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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To: bimboeruption

I don’t understand why that was directed to me.


110 posted on 08/07/2014 10:37:07 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: bimboeruption; trisham

Trisham was being sarcastic.


111 posted on 08/07/2014 10:38:35 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: CatherineofAragon; bimboeruption

I am guessing that bimboeruption didn’t read the entire thread, but from his post, it was impossible for me to be sure.


112 posted on 08/07/2014 10:41:57 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

” I’ve read the libertarian party platform.
Can’t find the part where it endorses
pedophilia. Maybe you can point it out.”

It comes up because more and more, Libertarians are against moral laws entirely. That is what this article was about. Moral laws.


113 posted on 08/07/2014 10:44:40 AM PDT by LevinFan
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To: wagglebee

“They overlook (perhaps purposely) the fact that laudanum, morphine and other opiates were also legally available without a prescription and abuse/addiction of these drugs was rampant. Funny how libertarians always seem to focus just on marijuana or Prohibition and ignore this. “

Well, most opiates that are legally available with a prescription today are still rampantly abused. So, what has prohibition done to change that?


114 posted on 08/07/2014 10:45:20 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Sure it is true, if someone is conservative they call themselves conservative, if they share some ideas with conservatives, but are liberal on social issues, then they call themselves libertarian.

We know what it means when someone announces they are libertarian on gay marriage etc., it means they are liberal on it.


115 posted on 08/07/2014 10:46:41 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: LevinFan; Bubba Ho-Tep; GeronL

Pinging GeronL. He’s had links before linking Libertarians to Pedophilia.

But look... Which group has more interest in outlawing pederasty? Conservatives who abhor it as a moral sin and social evil?

Or libertarians who claim it is morally evil, but feel the state has no right to involve itself in social issues.


116 posted on 08/07/2014 10:52:49 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Durus

“The Federal Government clearly does not have the enumerated powers to regulate drugs or sexual activity.”

Bingo. At least a few people around still remember that it’s a conservative, not just a libertarian, position to advocate for federal government to be limited to its enumerated powers.

The nanny-state Republicans hate libertarians so much they don’t realize they are heading in a direction that is worse than libertarianism. In order to spite libertarians, they want to abandon conservatism and leap headlong towards tyranny.


117 posted on 08/07/2014 10:56:49 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: ansel12

“Sure it is true, if someone is conservative they call themselves conservative, if they share some ideas with conservatives, but are liberal on social issues, then they call themselves libertarian.”

What someone calls themselves does not change the definition of words. If I call myself a giraffe, it doesn’t mean that giraffes are 35 year old white guys with average sized necks.


118 posted on 08/07/2014 10:59:58 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: trisham; bimboeruption

Sounds like it to me, too.


119 posted on 08/07/2014 11:02:56 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: Durus

Ok,
So, by your definition, why is murder against the law? Or for that matter, theft? Are they not morals being forced on by the State?


120 posted on 08/07/2014 11:03:12 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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