AHA!
If this Administration gets to decide, a fly swatter.
Documentation File on the 2014 Impeachment of B. Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro a former Foreign Student from Indonesia, and still a legal Citizen of the Sovereign Nation of Indonesia.
Declining civilian handgun sales? Say what? Didn't Ruger stop accepting new orders a year or so ago because they couldn't keep up with demand? Aren't all gun manufacturers selling at record levels? Ammo can't be found at any price. Right.....
“Army’s main concerns with the M9 are that it’s insufficiently accurate, lethal, and reliable for the service’s purposes”
What kind of tests did the Pentagon put the Beretta through that they couldn’t figure it out before they decided to buy it?
Shouldn’t “accurate, lethal and reliable” be a requirement for every gun they put into service?
“...a significant contract in an era of declining civilian handgun sales.”
I’m a bit confused here. Haven’t they increased just a tad in the past couple of years?
Regarding replacing the M9. Just pull the 1911 back out. They’re easy to fit with ambidextrous safeties, easy enough to maintain, and there’s a lot of Green Berets, MARSOC, and the like who use the 1911 platform who can school up some competent pistol instructors. But we’ll likely get some expensive, polymer framed abomination that’s overly complicated that the mall ninjas and gear queers will swoon over.
Is the military using FMJ for combat ammo? If that is standard, I don't think a larger caliber is going to improve the take down capabilities.
When my kid was a cop they carried 40 caliber Sigs. P226, I *think* but I can't swear to it. She liked it a lot, but when she left that line of work it was out of her budget for personal use.
its about time. but under the obummer as commander in chief he will order sling shots. the cougar 45 is an awesome weapon. b doesn’t make em anymore but i think Taurus does.
This quote from the article gave me a WTF moment.
“The slide-mounted safety doesn’t do well when you are trying to clear a stoppage — you inadvertently de-cock and safe the weapon system.”
In the Marine Corps we were taught “Tap, Rack, Bang” to clear a stoppage. Tap the magazine, rack the slide, and pull the trigger. Not once did I ever inadvertently de-cock and safe my weapon while performing Immediate Action. This guy is smoking something, or he never spent a lot of time firing this weapon.
The M-9 is a 30 year old weapon, it is time to retire it.
M: "Yes, I thought so. This damn Beretta again. I've told you about this before." (to the armorer) "You tell him, for the last time."Maj. Boothroyd: "It's nice and light... in a lady's handbag. No stopping power."
M: "Any comments, 007?"
James Bond: "I disagree, sir. I've used the Beretta for ten years. And I've never missed with it yet."
M: "Maybe not, but it jammed on your last job and you spent six months in the hospital in consequence. If you carry a double-O number, it means you're licensed to kill, not get killed... From now on you'll carry a different gun. Show him, armorer."
Maj. Boothroyd: "Walther PPK. 7.65 mil with a delivery like a brick through a plate glass window. Takes a Brausch silencer with very little reduction in muzzle velocity. The American CIA swear by them."
I don’t believe the part about the M9 being unreliable. I kept up with all 3 sets of the joint services tests. The Beretta came out on top of all of them for reliability with the possible exception of the Sig P226.
It may be the most reliable pistol ever made. The locking system with dropping blocks from notches in each side of the slide allows the magazine to feed directly into the chamber instead of needing to hit a feed ramp.
If I had to choose one right now in .45 cal. it would be the Sig double column model, I think it is the P227 but not certain.
They could go back to the M1911.
This is going to be a short thread.
“a significant contract in an era of declining civilian handgun sales . “
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Hmmmmm, leave Maryland, lose a contract?
Whether or not the 9mm is adequate; from what I understand reliability and accuracy are not issues with the b
They should get a phased plasma pistol in the 40 watt range.....
Of course if this goes forward under Obama’s watch the M9s will be crushed and sold at scrap metal prices to an Obama crony.
U.S. Army Saying “Ciao” to Italy’s M9 Beretta — but What Will Replace It?
If let up to the current administration it will be BB guns.
Should be a bunch of ‘surplus’ firearms coming on the market once they change. One would hope it would drive the prices down a bit.
Reliability question.
While I don’t shoot in desert conditions, my 92FS never jams and will cycle any round I put into it.
When my bride was looking for a handgun, she REALLY wanted a Beretta in .40 S&W (the M9 clone). She didn’t find it, so we bought a Px4 in .40.
The M9’s are very capable pistols. Usually work, built well, but the biggest issue is that they are in 9mm.
I think something in .40 will be chosen. More powerful than the 9, not as intimidating as the .45.