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To: Pining_4_TX
The guy who runs Zero Hedge is himself a Russian, and he believes Russkie claims from their media without the use of any critical thinking.

Case in point, he mentions Russkie claims of the SU-25 being "within a few kilometeres" of the airliner. The Russkies themselves claim that it was "flying on the same level" and "tailing" the airliner.

An SU-25 cannot reach the same height as the airliner, and the closest it could get would be 3KM, directly beneath it, and that without any extra weight on it such as armarments. The Russkies were even on Wikipedia trying to upgrade the SU-25 for a gullible public. Secondly, the top speed of the SU-25 cannot "tail" the airliner.

He also mentions the alleged photographs of Ukrainian Buks. But from the place where the Russkies allege they were, this would mean the missile would have had to travel all loud and bright across Russkie positions to hit the airliner, and yet without being noticed.

He also calls the social media postings "questionable." He is referring to the admission by Strelkov that they shot down the airliner, which was also picked up by Russian media, although, at the time, they did not know it was an airliner. The Russkies were also bragging for quite awhile about having Buks, all of which postings were also deleted. So Zerohedge calls them "questionable" because there is not much else you can say to confessions like that.

Furthermore, Bezler confirmed the recordings provided by the Ukrainian SBU as real, although he claimed he was somehow taken out of context. By so doing, however, he admits to taking orders and reporting to the Russian GRU, with whom he was communicating. He also admits, by so doing, of having Buks in the area.

Next, it has been proven that the Russkies had Buks in the area beyond just the taped confessions. Journalists from Reuters and others saw the Buks moving around. Residents saw Buks moving around and took photographs of them, which were geolocated to the areas they claimed they were. These same Buks were seen leaving to Russia and filmed doing so. The Russkies claimed it was a fake, a Ukrainian Buk in some controlled city, but their fake claim was fake, as their allegation relied on the alleged presence of a street address on a billboard, which, however, is not actually visible in the video (they're just making claims, and hoping people are dumb enough to believe them). Since that time, journalists and others have confirmed that the video was in fact taken where it claimed to be. Therefore, we know that Buks fled to Russia.

At this point, trying to make this a NATO/EU conspiracy is stupid.

11 posted on 08/01/2014 11:30:43 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; Pining_4_TX; Parmenio

The article was “Submitted by Chris Martenson via Peak Prosperity...”

In addition, ZeroHedge is a wild west saloon, as is FreeRepublic, where keyboard-gunfights, hostile words, and insults are flung about with similar frequencies.

Both forums evidently have a Russia Household Guard; and both forums have several other encampments opposed to Russian aggression.

Russia *is* the aggressor who invaded Ukraine.

Also, MH-17 was shot down by a BUK missile system operated by Russian agents in the Ukraine; and Russian agents strongly inhibited, and continue to inhibit, investigation of the shootdown and crash sites.

Russia has committed two acts of war against foreign nations and neither act was for freedom - there is *no* justification.


33 posted on 08/01/2014 12:06:54 PM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

590MPH is fast enough to tail a jetliner... though it won’t be catching up any ground....


46 posted on 08/01/2014 12:57:06 PM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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