Posted on 07/28/2014 2:45:19 AM PDT by markomalley
Bump
America is done. We have no one to represent us.
and they will all be voting by November...
Is there anything not to hate about the actions of this pos, poseur in the wh?
Obama’s actions have no legitimacy. To the extent possible, everything he does in these eight terrible years should be reversed. Illegals need to know that any registration for drivers licenses, for welfare/SNAP, for ObamaCare, or for any other official status will only make it easier to track them down like the criminals they are once their pet thug in out of our White House. Even if Obama creates a fake citizenship for these criminals, it will not be valid and needs to be reversed once we have a real president again.
last I checked, this isn’t their country to give away
of course, since they’re watering down the value of the dollar, why not water down the value of citizenship
“America is done. We have no one to represent us.”
You’re right; here in NJ we’ve had a de facto amnesty for years, and whole areas now look like villages in the Andes mountains.
The county north of me just added Korean to their ballots...
It seems obvious to me....Obama intends to PARDON all illegals for their illegal entry into the country. And, since REPRIEVE has the additional meaning of 'provide relief', then he will 'grant them the relief of allowance to get a job.' So, in one fell swoop, unilaterally, he will make all employers NOT breaking the law if they have now illegal employees, since they will no longer be illegal, and he will provide the former illegals the status to find or continue in their jobs.
This is a power he has by the constitution.
Article 2, Section. 2. The President shall ...snip...have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment
With one stroke of a pen, he can take away illegal status, and that will render those former illegals as being legally within the United States.
This is my humble opinion. It can be done entirely on the executive side, constitutionally, and without any input from Congress.
Someone please prove to me, using the constitution, that I am wrong.
Not that I want this illegal influx to continue, but I have lived in Latin America, and I smell backfire for the Democrats in what is happening here. For several reasons.
I am not sure about Salvadorans, but Hondurans and Guatemalans will not necessarily embrace liberal political views as readily as everyone seems to believe. They will share an awful lot with Cubans that came here in the fifties and sixties. Their culture will be naturally averse to government attempts to enslave them and their social beliefs align more with conservatives.
They are coming here for different reasons than Mexicans, for the most part, and will not be eager to embrace the entrenched Mexamerican establishment.
It’s a matter of percentages, not all will embrace liberal politics.
Already we see red states rejecting, and blue state blacks are beginning to perceive a very real threat.
Just my two cents.
Shoot, since when does he care about the Constitution?
I still theorize that he will direct the USCIS to naturalize these people, en masse.
Then, as far as pardons are concerned, he'll issue them to the USCIS people who actually do the paperwork so they can't be prosecuted by the next administration.
Think about it: once somebody has been naturalized, the government would need to prove, for each one of them as individuals, that the naturalized person committed some fraud, in order to strip them of their newly-granted citizenship.
From the USCIS Policy Manual:
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B. Concealment of Material Fact or Willful Misrepresentation[3] 1. Concealment of Material Fact or Willful Misrepresentation A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if there is deliberate deceit on the part of the person in misrepresenting or failing to disclose a material fact or facts on his or her naturalization application and subsequent examination. In general, a person is subject to revocation of naturalization on this basis if:
This ground of revocation includes omissions as well as affirmative misrepresentations. The misrepresentations can be oral testimony provided during the naturalization interview or can include information contained on the application submitted by the applicant. The courts determine whether the misrepresented or concealed fact or facts were material. The test for materiality is whether the misrepresentations or concealment had a tendency to affect the decision. It is not necessary that the information, if disclosed, would have precluded naturalization. |
The above would have to be proven for each naturalized person. If you're talking about millions of people, that's a lot of time. And, if the misconduct was on the part of the USCIS agent, would likely be unprovable.
Well, I'm not convinced that you, indeed, are wrong.... at least not all wrong.... but that said, I wonder if reprieve and pardon would require a step that is NOT constitutional - that of conviction. The 5 million illegals have not been convicted of being illegal, thus cannot be pardoned for an alleged crime, and can't be reprieved since there is no sentence without charge and conviction.
You could be right. However, even with that, it would require each individual case being brought before a court. There are millions of cases.
On the other hand, the pardon could be extended to all who come forward, admit their crime, and register. That will then put the government in the position to extend ‘relief’ to them. An admitted crime is a crime whether charged or prosecuted by the authorities.
I agree...all the Hondurans I know are hard working intelligent people. Who would you rather live next to...them or the obamanaphone minions. That said, the obamaphiles are going to soon realize that the poor chilrun from south of the border are going to start taking their free stuff. I predict mayhem in the hood. For all those stupid liberals in taxachusetts and elsewhere...suck it up! you got what you voted for...losers!
If I go to the mall on Friday or Saturday night, I (a white male) am a minority and practically all I hear spoken is Spanish.
Reflect back to a week or two ago.... The $3.7 billion, a smidgon for border security, bulk for lawyering-up for illegals. Lawyers for perhaps getting them thru confession, trial, conviction, sentencing, pardoning, reprieving.
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