We still have a military presence in Japan, South Korea, Germany and Italy. Are we occupying those countries or are we there with the permission of the host government? As soon as there was a legitimate recognized government in those countries, it is no longer an occupation. They are sovereign countries with representation in the UN and other fora, They control their own borders. They are sovereign nations.
The SOFA, after a occupation, should not be optional! Period!
You must be joking. We have SOFAs with Italy, Germany, South Korea, Japan, etc. They come up periodically for renewal and amendment. What you think is irrelevant.
I had forgotten about Daddy Bush’s nato invasion and quit exit of Iraq to get Saddam out of Kuwait. It was successful for the limited scope and I just forgot it. So do a lot of other I suspect, since we had to go back.
I didn't forget because I was in Saudi Arabia from start to finish. I flew up to Kuwait a few days after the war was over including flying over and driving into the burning oil fields and the mile of death.
I must apologize.
Apparently I am writing in a foreign language or you are.
You are not getting at all what I have said. For example.
You go off on this diatribe about Sofa and you compare it to places where we have troops stationed in friendly countries when I have already addressed the issue by saying that SOFAS should not be used with occupied countries and then you go off on wild rip and totally misrepresent what I am saying.
I think we should stop right here and part ways, because after multiple attempts, I cannot even get close to being on the same page with you. These concepts are you have are foreign to me and you are misrepresenting what I am saying.
So I give up. No point in continuing. I just say the same thing is a slightly different way to try to get some sort of understanding. and I get the same responses that are so far off what I said that they might as well be Farsi.
All I have figured out is that Iraq was not a occupation, nor was the surge in Afghanistan Nor was any war according to you. Except Japan and Germany.
I suppose you don’t think that Israel is not at least temporarily occupying Gaza to ferret out the tunnels and launchers.
I suppose that a mass military incursion into a foreign country or territory whether invited not when you kill, strafe, shell inhabitants of the country and engage in general warfare, that doing that is not in any way a occupation, even if you are there for years.
Let’s just stop with the political non-speak like “police actions” which has apparently been replaced with what...a deployment?
It’s just as fake and phony as the police action.
You don’t get me, because you don’t want to get what I am saying. Afghanistan is a deployment because one guy, the president resides in Kabul with all the money and wealth he can steal. So you protect his goat stinking hide in Kabul while he and his family steal you blind and undermine the task.
So that’s a deployment...not a occupation because you let one guy roam about Kabul who calls himself president.
Now are you getting me...?
I doubt it.
The discussion I am trying to have with you is to change all this crap back to what it was before it was screwed with by politicians. Make it honest and forthright so everyone understands it. A deployment should be a stay in a country that invited you where you are there as a deterrent
and not fighting their civil war for them.
If you have to do that, then kick the government out and occupy them until such a time as they can do their own business without old hatreds and 1500 year old arguments. If that takes 50 years, then you stay 50 years with no friggin sofa unless you are ready to leave and they want you there as a deterrent at their request.
Other wise, don’t get involved unless there is a real strategically important interest. Or, do it politically with a proxy or group to do the heavy lifting. That would apply to the Ukraine. Nice and neat...no mess to clean up and no broken toys or soldiers.
In other words, Since you probably think they are all Nazi’s, arm them or pay them to give the Russian nationals a real not foot.
rant over.....CU