Lord Pearson: 'Government Should Stop Claiming Islam is Religion of Peace'

AsianImage ^ | Wednesday 23rd July 2014

[nathanbedford]

Bush's initial formulation was quite understandable and quite defensible.

He looked at the globe and saw that one and a half billion people were Muslims and even a relatively infinitesimal percentage of them means that millions can be committed to wage murderous, even suicidal, war against the United States. That in a context in which it required only 19 militant Muslims to bring down the World Trade Center and bomb the Pentagon.

Ultimately, I think Bush understood that such a war had to be won by Muslims themselves reforming themselves. At least that was at the time a strategy one as president of the United States dared not throw away with loose rhetoric.

So Bush chose to wage war against terrorism rather than against militant Islam because he feared that 1.5 billion enemies were worse than a minority of Muslims committed to terrorism. As I said in my original post, this strategy has obviously failed but it was not an unintelligent effort.

The support of moderate Islam is precisely what we need in this war against militant Islam. Without it we are going to suffer setback after setback, incur casualty after casualty, and spend ourselves bankrupt. That does not necessarily mean that we have to kowtow to the inflated sensibilities of Muslims who are, as I pointed out in my original post, often thoroughly irrational.

[JimSEA]

Like tolerance, inclusiveness must be a two way street. Islam has repeatedly failed that test.

[nickcarraway]

rcrngroup - you can apologize later

This is what Cripplecreek said I objected to:Islam is incompatible with The USA constitution and polite society. Its more a political system than it is a “religion” and should be treated as such

It's no straw man, at all. The United States was founded on certain ideas and traditions. When we say, we have to abandon those traditions and ideas to fight the enemy that is a very bad thing. I won't go for that in any way shape and form. We can have Muslims in this country. We don't have the P.C. ideas that Bush and Obama promulgate. We can deal with them just fine on our own terms. No changing our values. No ditching the First Amendment. If what Cripplecreek said above is true, then Islam is stronger than the USA.

Certain people on the right are falling for a left wing trap. The left is ginning them up about Islam and trying to get them to abandon our tradition. After we get ride of it, their will be noting to defend. Taking the Constitution and Christianity and and changing into Islam to fight Islam is a losing battle. If you think that is necessary, then you DO believe the USA and Christianity are weaker than Islam. I'll let you in on a little secret: they aren't.

I like Cripplecreek as a poster. But I have to challenge people when they are falling for the left's trap.

[wjcsux]

Yes. We need to remember the first war our country was in was against the Ottoman Empire. It was the First Barbary War, 1801-1805. Things haven’t changed much since.

[LoneRangerMassachusetts]

The support of moderate Islam is precisely what we need in this war against militant Islam. Without it we are going to suffer setback after setback,

Nonsense. When you are attacked, you retaliate. Sink their navy, flatten their air power, and crush their armor. Then air drop small arms the oppressed. Leave and let them and allah sort out what remains. You don't build schools, hospitals and infrastructure. Let them do that.

[nathanbedford]

Early on a Sunday morning inAugust, 2014 a small atomic bomb is detonated in downtown Indianapolis. Shortly thereafter a demand appears on the Internet that America submit to sharia or another American city will be nuked.

The president addresses the nation and expresses resolve never to surrender, the FBI and CIA and NSA go into overdrive to discover who planted the bomb and who posted the Internet demand. Three days later an atomic explosion occurs in Lexington Kentucky. Same demand same reaction.

Three days later an atomic explosion occurs in a mall in short Hills New Jersey. Same demand same reaction from officials but an up swelling of demand by a growing number of parents, particularly mothers, who insist that the government surrender rolls across the land.

After two more explosions the country disintegrates and the government is forced to follow instructions imposing sharia and requiring the conversion of Americans to Islam.

Far-fetched? Perhaps, perhaps not. But whom are you going to bomb? You scream "retaliate" even louder. There is no one to bomb. You scream, "sink their Navy, flatten their power, and crush their armor" but they have no Navy, no air power, no armor. Europe has long ago submitted to Islam and America has virtually no allies in the world.

There is no one and nothing to bomb. You don't know what to do. There are many in the Muslim world who know who is responsible but you do not have a relationship with them, you have not cultivated them, they have nothing to gain by helping you and nothing to lose by watching you lose.

You have lost the war.

Bluster on.

[ronnie raygun]

Governments support murderous cult

[Cobraman_SC]

There is no one and nothing to bomb. You don't know what to do. There are many in the Muslim world who know who is responsible but you do not have a relationship with them, you have not cultivated them, they have nothing to gain by helping you and nothing to lose by watching you lose. You have lost the war.

I disagree, after the first demand from the scumbags we nuke Medina and tell them Mecca is next. The only thing they understand is brute force so let's get primal on their butts! Unfortunately we have a Muslim in the White Hut so it will take someone high up in the military to decide to do what is necessary, ignore the commie in chief and save our country.

[aimhigh]

The phrase, “Islam is peace” is not defining Islam. It is redefining peace.

[LoneRangerMassachusetts]

There is no one and nothing to bomb. You don't know what to do.

Maybe you can't figure out who to fight or what to do. Very simple, Take everybody that doesn't belong here in the US and ship them to Mexico. Let the Mexicans figure out what to do with them. Far fetched? Don't forget, Roosevelt rounded up the Japanese. The liberals still love him.

[DTA]

"Religion of peace" is Bushism like "never feed the hand that bites you" and many others.

W actually wanted to say - religion of pieces.

[rcrngroup]

When we say, we have to abandon those traditions and ideas to fight the enemy that is a very bad thing.

Cripplecreek never said that at all! It is incredible how you misrepresent what is being said, and then when you are confronted with the actual words themselves you still misrepresent the words, in fact you twist them to say something exactly opposite to what is being said.

Cripplecreek said,
Islam is incompatible with The USA constitution and polite society. Its more a political system than it is a “religion” and should be treated as such.

He is 100% correct. Islam is not a religion but instead is a political system of absolute tyranny that seeks to control every aspect of life - political, economic, civil, religious, monetary, etc

He never said at all that "we should abandon those traditions and ideas to fight the enemy that is a very bad thing".

The only one making that absurd statement is you, no one else (well excepted for mentally disordered liberals) would so profoundly twist a statement into something that it never said in the first place. As you recall a WWII vet chastised you for misrepresenting what Jim Gilchrist is attempting to do in order to stop the invasion, and he said that outside of you, no one else was making THAT ridiculous observation or conclusion.

I think it would be better if you just post the articles and then don't comment on any of the postings, since you seem to make the opposite assertion of what it is actually saying.

And no, I'm not going to apologize for calling you out for your habit of misrepresentation, which then deflects from the entire article or postings and does not accomplish anything except for arguing about the sparsing & nuancing of words.

[nickcarraway]

Have you ever read the First Amendment. Check it out sometime.

[nickcarraway]

I think it would be better if you just post the articles and then don't comment on any of the postings, since you seem to make the opposite assertion of what it is actually saying.

I just read things and use my brain. You need to stop focusing on the media and regurgitating their crud.

[nickcarraway]

If Gilchrist was trying to stop an invasion he wouldn’t compare the USA to NAZI Germany. Even Obama has never compared this country to Nazi Germany. Sorry if you think patriotism is a crime.

[rcrngroup]

You're ridiculous! Gilchrist is not comparing the US to Nazi Germany. He is using an analogy of going up against deeply entrenched foes. And then you use a false fasade of patriotism, as if you are speaking for all true patriots. Who died and appointed you the guardian of patriotism? I am a hard core, rock solid conservative, but I don't distort the comments or intentions of people on our side like you are doing.

Like I said, you gotta stop commenting on other FReepers postings, since you misrepresent regularly what is being said and then you hide behind a false patriotism.

Your logic & arguments & conclusions are that of a hard-core Marxist liberal, like 0dumb0 & his entire corrupt administration & democRATs in general. Michael Savage wrote a book called Liberalism is a Mental Disorder and that describes you. I think you're a DU troll, trying to stir up strife & discord amoung the FReeper brethren with false attacks and stupid logic.

By the way, how is your organization & website coming together to mount a vigorous defense of our border with Mexico, like Jim Gilchrist is doing? Do you have a sign-up website yet? Do you have your organization in place and ready to roll? At least Jim is doing something, rather than attacking our own side like you're doing.