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Obama Democrats Lose Their Big Bet on Health Exchanges
Townhall.com ^ | July 25, 2014 | Michael Barone

Posted on 07/25/2014 9:07:31 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: rlmorel

Buying a policy for every uninsured person would have cost us a fraction of what Obamacare has already cost.


21 posted on 07/25/2014 9:53:29 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: MNnice
Congressional Democrats and the Obama administration bet that they could force the states to do their will. When they lost their bet, the administration ignored the Constitution and ordered the spending of monies that Congress never authorized.

For some reason, this reminds me of the scene in Cool Hand Luke where Luke holds up the tree-branch from which the snapping turtle hangs by his clenched jaws, and yells to the guard "look Boss, dead as hell and won't let go."

22 posted on 07/25/2014 10:03:23 AM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: Kaslin

They haven’t lost anything yet. The Administration will request a rehearing by the full Appeals Court and they’ll overturn the three-judge ruling.


23 posted on 07/25/2014 10:04:19 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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24 posted on 07/25/2014 10:10:28 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: DoodleDawg

I was gonna say....show me. I’ll believe its dead when I see it.


25 posted on 07/25/2014 10:13:06 AM PDT by sheana
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I have always assumed that providing health care was never the goal...the goal was the destruction of private health care and private insurance.

That is why, even though we conservatives may think that some of the liberal statists who pushed for this disaster are crying (and some are, the dimmer ones) but the ones who really understand the true goals are secretly rejoicing.

They WANT this to be a major disaster, and when it is done, hospitals will be broke, private insurance will have left the sector, and people will clamor for the government to step in and fix it.

THAT is their goal.


26 posted on 07/25/2014 12:11:35 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by it"s weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: Kaslin
Congressional Democrats and the Obama administration bet that they could force the states to do their will. When they lost their bet, the administration ignored the Constitution and ordered the spending of monies that Congress never authorized.

Not just that the law means only what they need it to mean at the moment, but also that it applies to only whomever they need it to apply to at the moment. That's what SCOTUS would be codifying by overturning this and letting Congressional Democrats get away with this federal subsidy deceit.

They would be endorsing the practice of writing a bill one way out of necessity to get a compromise passed, knowing that Democrats can deny it later and get SCOTUS to write for them what they really wanted all along in the end.

-PJ

27 posted on 07/25/2014 12:30:46 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: MrB

The appropriate question is, does the “common sacrifice” for it manage to buy its money’s worth? And the answer is yes, if that means its money’s worth of meddlesome government drones. As for actual health care, that is another question.


28 posted on 07/25/2014 3:14:08 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: rlmorel

It’s satanic at bottom. And it STILL will be unfair, by the very measures of fairness that were proffered at the outset of this debacle.


29 posted on 07/25/2014 3:16:47 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: joshua c
This explains it. You had to set up the state exchange to get the tax benefits.

Also, they needed the states to enforce the individual mandate, employer penalties, & changes to health care plans... It was unconstitutional w/o forcing the states to run state exchanges. Forbes, has a really good article:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelcannon/2014/07/25/obamacare-architect-jonathan-gruber-if-youre-a-state-and-you-dont-set-up-an-exchange-that-means-your-citizens-dont-get-their-tax-credits/

30 posted on 07/25/2014 5:11:16 PM PDT by babbabooey (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing...)
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To: brownsfan

The Constitution or FreeStuff™ ?


31 posted on 07/25/2014 8:06:01 PM PDT by Jane Long ("And when thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek")
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To: txrefugee

hold on there. blues dont make money and insurance at this point pays the bills. who is building brand new digs. not the insurance companies.


32 posted on 07/25/2014 8:45:20 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2 (civil law: commanding what is right and prohibiting what is wrong Blackstone Commentaries I p44)
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To: DoodleDawg
They haven’t lost anything yet. The Administration will request a rehearing by the full Appeals Court and they’ll overturn the three-judge ruling.
. . . and that will drag the process out another year - according to plan.

But as the WSJ pointed out a couple of days ago, the fact that Obama won in a different venue (notwithstanding that judge’s finding that:

Judge Roger Ferguson, writing for the Fourth Circuit whose King v. Burwell decision upholding the IRS was announced the same day, wrote that those challenging the government "have the better of the statutory construction arguments.”)
means that it is not Burwell (i.e., the administration) but King who is in a position to appeal that ruling - and that King need not ask for an en blanc hearing, but could elect to appeal directly to SCOTUS.

33 posted on 07/26/2014 1:53:26 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: Kaslin

I’m NOT a lawyer. But I believe the Supreme Court cannot/will not consider evidence that was not introduced at the appeals level.

Thus somehow, this needs to get into consideration. Not sure how...


34 posted on 07/26/2014 1:56:30 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
... but King who is in a position to appeal that ruling - and that King need not ask for an en blanc hearing, but could elect to appeal directly to SCOTUS.

He can but I thought I read somewhere where King is already planning his Supreme Court appeal. However there is no guarantee that the Court will agree to hear it.

35 posted on 07/26/2014 2:25:06 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
No guarantee, agreed. But it would be tantamount to SCOTUS agreeing with the idea that a judge can make policy contrary to black-letter law.

Even the judge who ruled for the government in King admitted that he wasn’t going by what the law said, and was intended to say.

36 posted on 07/26/2014 5:08:19 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: cuban leaf

“It is the first time I’ve refused to comply with the law as I see it as immoral and unconstitutional. I cancelled my health insurance on January first and will never have health insurance until Obamacare is appealed. I will also never pay a penalty. I always end up owing the FedGov at tax time and will ensure that carries forward into the future.”

Wow, you ARE a rebel. I love it!


37 posted on 07/27/2014 12:30:47 PM PDT by yorkiemom ( "...if fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism." - Ronald Reagan)
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