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1 posted on 07/24/2014 7:25:22 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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Rand ping.


2 posted on 07/24/2014 7:29:02 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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I think Rand is a great author, but the world has changed so much recently.

America cannot “shrug”, unless we want China to take everything away from us.

We need to compete. Bigtime. Buy American.


3 posted on 07/24/2014 7:31:24 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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This means that, much like democracy, capitalism is a deeply morally righteous system. …
What part of the Christian spectrum does the author fall on?
4 posted on 07/24/2014 7:31:54 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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It's been said that Atlas Shrugged is the most influential book of all time, after the Holy Bible.

Of course leftists hate her, because her works completely dismantled their arguments.

5 posted on 07/24/2014 7:33:09 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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I read this yesterday and it makes sense.


8 posted on 07/24/2014 7:36:54 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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Like the author, my problems with Rand are her views of altruism and empathy. No great civilization has been founded or sustained without heroes believing in things greater than self, and willing to subordinate their, "self interest," to what Rand decries as the notion of, "greater good."

I often wonder if put in a position to do so, would Rand have sacrificed her life to defend and sustain her beliefs and world view? If she would have, then she would have betrayed the very beliefs she was defending, and if she declined to do so, then she would have allowed others to run slipshod over them.

I just don't see her pledging her life, her fortune and her sacred honor (if she even believed in such a thing) with the same eagerness or zeal that our founders did.

11 posted on 07/24/2014 7:38:56 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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I love this Ayn Rand quote:

"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." ~Ayn Rand

I use that quote as a response to this. It drives my liberal friends nuts.

"Any African-American who votes Republican is a turncoat.” ~ Jesse Jackson

13 posted on 07/24/2014 7:40:49 PM PDT by South40 (Hillary Clinton was a "great secretary of state". - Texas Governor Rick Perry)
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Clueless. You can criticize Rand for any number of things but if

There is no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is to crack down on criminals. When there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking the law.

doesn't inspire you, and doesn't go through your head every time some new nanny-government regulation affects you personally--then I don't think you can call yourself a conservative.

18 posted on 07/24/2014 7:54:35 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("World History is not full of good governments, or of good voters either "--P.J. O'Rourke)
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“The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.” —Ayn Rand


28 posted on 07/24/2014 8:32:15 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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This dude is way too full of himself


31 posted on 07/24/2014 9:00:26 PM PDT by be-baw (still seeking)
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Nice analysis, but this:

“Tom Morello is a musical genius, and Zack de la Rocha indisputably has a gift from God.”

Just, no.


33 posted on 07/24/2014 9:40:32 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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It’s what is making radio host Jason Lewis to become more and more obnoxious too. Every time I turn him on, he seems more anti-religious than the last time. A couple of days ago, the took the opportunity to take a slam at Christianity. While making the point that resources are worthless while lying dormant in the ground until someone works and digs them up and processes them to make them into something, he told a typical unfunny Jason Lewis joke about a preacher who went by a farmer’s place several times and each time he was saying, “thank the Lord for all the bounty he’s giving you.” Lewis said the farmer grew tired of hearing this daily “thanks to God” business and told the preacher God didn’t do much of anything until he got busy and worked the land. Lewis and his stupid galt website can crash for all I care. Lewis thinks he’s a self-made man. That man was just a local hostile jerk of a radio host who continually berated even fans until Rush Limbaugh let him fill in for him. That gave Lewis a leg up. And Lewis has benefitted these years by appealing to his conservative Christian audience and they have given him a great deal of support. Now that Lewis has taken to mocking Christianity, going Galt, I think he’s going to be suffering a little bit. Good grief, he’s insufferable. For example, when he has a guest on the line for an interview. Jason feels he has to dominate the discussion. There he has an expert in some field and Lewis comes across as an arrogant know it all. Insufferable.


39 posted on 07/24/2014 10:04:11 PM PDT by discipler (How's that 'hope and change' working for 'ya? - RL)
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Libertarian or "classical liberal" philosophy does not rise or fall because of Ayn Rand. She contributed much to its modern expression. It's not necessary to "hate" her, and rejecting ideas in which she may have been mistaken does not invalidate the areas in which she illuminated great Truth.

Similarly, the Christian religion (of which I am a proud member) is not the single wellspring from which the ideals of the Enlightenment and the concepts of Natural Rights and Liberty flow.

I've absorbed plenty of "objectivist" philosophy, and while I may question Rand's presumptions regarding greed, altruism, etc., the conclusions regarding concepts of Individuality, Free Will, and the like are perfectly valid.

True Freedom transcends the tidy little boxes into which various "camps" feel compelled to place it sometimes. Nobody "owns" it, and many different people and "movements" have contributed to it.

IMHO, there is little cause for antagonism between Christians and libertarians, as the common ground is quite abundant.

If we fully embrace and understand the "Pursuit of Happiness", and we accept the fact that each individual must have an expansive right to to define that concept according to their own free will, the petty internecine squabbles disappear.

We are all sons and daughters of Liberty and, therefore, Brothers and Sisters whose birthright is Freedom. Nobody will ever have the right to take that away from us, and those who try will be resisted with all the force of our collective being.

Thus, whether somebody chooses to voluntarily practice an "extreme" philosophy of Christian love and service, or rather embraces an "extreme" notion of self-interested individual free will, we all have our roles to play, and we will very likely be shedding our blood together in the Tyrannical future which threatens to consume all of us who believe in this radical idea called Freedom.

42 posted on 07/24/2014 10:36:39 PM PDT by sargon
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I read “Atlas Shrugged”. All I learned was that Rand was a self-worshipping blowhard living in a fantasy world.


48 posted on 07/24/2014 10:52:20 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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I agree I hate Ayn Rand’s crap. Her anti-Christianity and materialism are really just the opposite side of the materialistic coin that is communism.


51 posted on 07/24/2014 10:57:04 PM PDT by JSDude1
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Ayn Rand had and has much impact on the culture...

Whats Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry done lately.. or ever?..

A piss-ant bitching about a cultural giant..
The boy needs to “Go GALT”...


55 posted on 07/24/2014 11:45:06 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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I disagree with his statement: “But Lord of the Rings is profoundly and explicitly anti-technology”.

While The Two Towers scene with Sauruman building his army could be interpreted as anti-tech I see it more as anti-corruption. He makes the urakai (I know the spelling is wrong) through a corruption of nature.

I could even reach and say he’s trying to make something better than God, and obviously fails due to his own faults.

Plus - If it were anti-tech wouldn’t he have made the dwarfs bad guys too? I could agree that Tolkien argues for a simpler life, but not that he was anti-tech.

As to Ms Rand... Love the works for the pro-freedom stand, hate it for the free-love take...but I just ignore that part of it as I do with other stories and movies where the overall story is good enough... like ignoring Jar Jar in Star Wars I-III :)


63 posted on 07/25/2014 5:43:59 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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Ayn Rand is like a combination of Anton LaVey and L. Ron Hubbard.


65 posted on 07/25/2014 6:04:20 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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66 posted on 07/25/2014 6:14:33 AM PDT by Impy (Think for yourself)
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I've read Ayn Rand since my early 20's, including reading and re-reading Atlas Shrugged on multiple occasions.

There are elements of conservatism within her novels and her overarching philosophy that we should celebrate. Her grasp on the two primary economic systems, capitalism and socialism/communism leaves no room for question. As a human rights issue, as a contrast between freedom and slavery, and as a contrast between good and evil is pretty much unquestionable.

We don't have to buy into all that Rand preaches to find the good--the great--in some of it, perhaps a great majority of it. We shouldn't fall into the trap that liberals set of having to accept everything a person is for, else there's nothing of merit to be found. We can pick and choose. We can say, "Yes, I like her views on economics, but I don't care for her views on organized religion or right to life issues."

67 posted on 07/25/2014 6:14:49 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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