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I Hate Ayn Rand — But Here's Why my Fellow Conservatives Love Her
The Week ^ | July 23, 2014 | Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry

Posted on 07/24/2014 7:25:22 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: Joe 6-pack
But I also, unlike Rand, believe in the virtue of empathy, and have decided to apply it to people who like her work.

Oh Thank you. How big of you. How - how, um - condescending. ("to behave as if one is conscious of descending from a superior position, rank, or dignity. ")

I have been reading Rand for over 60 years. I find her personal life abhorrent. I find her writing brilliant. I find her postulations solid.

And I am puzzled why a 'Christian' would "HATE" Rand, the person. Maybe hate her work, hate her ideas, etc - but HATE HER?

21 posted on 07/24/2014 8:01:33 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: formosa
The point is that we live in a country that now openly despises free enterprise and individual expression. We will fall to China if we cannot change this insanity and get back to a free and visionary society once more.

Bears repeating, screamed at full volume from each mountaintop until every single human being has heard it.

22 posted on 07/24/2014 8:02:36 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Publius
I read Atlas about 2 years ago, is there enough of a plot synopsis to follow the story with out going back and re-reading it?

Nothing against Rand, but I have about 15 other books on the "still need to read" list.

23 posted on 07/24/2014 8:07:32 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: Joe 6-pack
I just don't see her pledging her life, her fortune and her sacred honor (if she even believed in such a thing) with the same eagerness or zeal that our founders did.

Here's something from Ayn Rand's 1936 "Autobiographical Sketch."

"If a life can have a theme song, and I believe every worthwhile one has, mine is a religion, an obsession, or a mania or all of these expressed in one word: individualism. I was born with that obsession and have never seen and I do not know now a cause more worthy, more misunderstood, more seemingly hopeless and more tragically needed. Call it fate or irony, but I was born, of all countries on earth, in the one less suitable for a fanatic of individualism, Russia."

24 posted on 07/24/2014 8:08:39 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: maine-iac7
Well, you quote the author of the post in your reply to me, so I'm not sure which of us you're addressing, but I don't see where either of us said we hated Rand the person.

Now, I can't speak for the author, but for my post to which you were replying, I think I clearly stated, "Like the author, my problems with Rand are her views of altruism and empathy." That does not mean there aren't a lot of things of value in her writings, but there are also some pretty odious ideas that emerged from her mind as well...

25 posted on 07/24/2014 8:10:13 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: OldNavyVet
"If a life can have a theme song, and I believe every worthwhile one has..."

I guess the ones that aren't worthwhile are the ones she vocally advocated aborting.

26 posted on 07/24/2014 8:13:25 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Liberty Valance

Here are the cliff notes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbI7gxxbYpo


27 posted on 07/24/2014 8:20:36 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: nickcarraway

“The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.” —Ayn Rand


28 posted on 07/24/2014 8:32:15 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: Publius
Thanks for the ping. Hope you're doing well in your new place.

I am not of the absolutist point of view that one must love everything about Rand in order to appreciate her work. Atlas Shrugged is the best effort of a brilliant woman to tell it exactly as she saw it, and in doing so we have a work where the characters are true to their personalities and whose narrative occasionally conflicts with Rand's overall philosophical case. I find that delightful enough to restate: Rand's characters behave in ways that occasionally contradict the philosophy they're espousing. It is that - and nearly only that - that makes them human.

One rather back-handed testament to the power of Atlas Shrugged is the hysteria with which it is received on the Left. Noam Chomsky called it the most evil thing ever published, a statement that is so rich in irony that it ought to be the topic of an entire volume of its own. What Rand most certainly got right was that the tool of the moochers and looters was and is the ability to make the rest of us feel guilt, and that someone who does not feel guilty for achievement is beyond the power of those for whom it is their only tool. "You didn't build that" is a perfect example, and the preening cretin who uttered it could have stepped right from the pages of the novel. Rand nailed that one and will never be forgiven for it.

Thanks to all who helped Publius and I shape our book. It is HERE, available for Kindle as well. It is not a paean to Rand; in fact, it is likely to infuriate certain of her over-earnest followers. It is certain to annoy her detractors. We think that's good ground to stand on.

29 posted on 07/24/2014 8:32:24 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Joe 6-pack

sorry - my post was meant to the author = who states “I Hate Ayn Rand ...”


30 posted on 07/24/2014 8:34:33 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: nickcarraway

This dude is way too full of himself


31 posted on 07/24/2014 9:00:26 PM PDT by be-baw (still seeking)
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To: Billthedrill
What Rand most certainly got right was that the tool of the moochers and looters was and is the ability to make the rest of us feel guilt, and that someone who does not feel guilty for achievement is beyond the power of those for whom it is their only tool.

True in only the emotional respect. I feel absolutely no guilt over anything I've ever accomplished, yet I'm not safely beyond the reach of the gibsmedat crowd and the rest of the moochers (witness Obamacare).

32 posted on 07/24/2014 9:00:36 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: nickcarraway

Nice analysis, but this:

“Tom Morello is a musical genius, and Zack de la Rocha indisputably has a gift from God.”

Just, no.


33 posted on 07/24/2014 9:40:32 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

The American consumer is only obligated to buy whatever brings him the most value. If I have to choose between a POS Government Motors vehicle and a BMW, I will chose the Beemer every time.


34 posted on 07/24/2014 9:42:01 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: SVTCobra03

chose = choose


35 posted on 07/24/2014 9:46:43 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Liberty Valance

Right there with you. Atlas Shrugged is a horrible diatribe, poorly written, and pompously pedantic. My guess is that most of those who proclaim it the greatest work of literature ever have never gotten as far as you or I did.


36 posted on 07/24/2014 9:53:43 PM PDT by Benito Cereno
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To: verga

See my tagline and buy the book. (Billthedrill and I need the royalties.)


37 posted on 07/24/2014 9:55:05 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Benito Cereno

See post 10


38 posted on 07/24/2014 10:01:51 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: nickcarraway

It’s what is making radio host Jason Lewis to become more and more obnoxious too. Every time I turn him on, he seems more anti-religious than the last time. A couple of days ago, the took the opportunity to take a slam at Christianity. While making the point that resources are worthless while lying dormant in the ground until someone works and digs them up and processes them to make them into something, he told a typical unfunny Jason Lewis joke about a preacher who went by a farmer’s place several times and each time he was saying, “thank the Lord for all the bounty he’s giving you.” Lewis said the farmer grew tired of hearing this daily “thanks to God” business and told the preacher God didn’t do much of anything until he got busy and worked the land. Lewis and his stupid galt website can crash for all I care. Lewis thinks he’s a self-made man. That man was just a local hostile jerk of a radio host who continually berated even fans until Rush Limbaugh let him fill in for him. That gave Lewis a leg up. And Lewis has benefitted these years by appealing to his conservative Christian audience and they have given him a great deal of support. Now that Lewis has taken to mocking Christianity, going Galt, I think he’s going to be suffering a little bit. Good grief, he’s insufferable. For example, when he has a guest on the line for an interview. Jason feels he has to dominate the discussion. There he has an expert in some field and Lewis comes across as an arrogant know it all. Insufferable.


39 posted on 07/24/2014 10:04:11 PM PDT by discipler (How's that 'hope and change' working for 'ya? - RL)
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To: Olog-hai

Indeed democracy is not a morally righteous system. Government itself is a necessary evil. Our form of government is not morally righteous, it is merely the least evil form of government. Since power corrupts, it is better to have many little tyrants fighting each other for power, rather than one all powerful tyrant.

Capitalism is also not inherently morally righteous. It can be but it doesn’t have to be. For every person who finds meaning through work and productivity there is also someone else who doesn’t. Both winners and losers are necessary to the capitalist system because, “there can be no real freedom without the freedom to fail.”


40 posted on 07/24/2014 10:20:10 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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