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To: tcrlaf

I have no illusions that Putin is some sort of God fearing, democracy loving moral leader... I don’t think that is a fair appraisal of the man.

I also have the same misgivings about the current leader of Ukraine. And I also hold our own president in rather low esteem.

I obviously don’t know all the facts concerning the horrific downing of the Malaysian passenger jet, but I would be shocked if it was downed on purpose. The tragedy serves no one, not Russia, not Ukraine and least of all the eastern separatists involved in civil war.

It seems most probable to me that it was shot down by the separatists using a Russian built missile system. It seems probable that Russians may have been in attendance when the horrific deed was done.

I think they thought it was a Ukrainian military jet and a legitimate target of the civil war.

I can’t imagine why the pilot of the Malaysian jetliner was traveling over a hot war zone!? Was he mad? incompetent? or simply a fool following orders? I wish I knew.

In war, terrible things happen. Terrible things happened in our war of independence and our own bloody civil war.

Many would say that outsiders should refrain from meddling or giving assistance to either side in a civil war or a war for separation and independence. Outsiders are generally involved in such wars however. In the case of the conflict raging in Ukraine both the US and Russia have meddled and supported the parties involved. The results for both have been shameful and ignominious.

I hope and pray that events do not spiral out of control for those who have foolishly involved themselves in the Ukrainian war.... We are directly involved and so is Russia.
Both nations have freely decided to inject themselves into this mess...both have unclean hands.

I hope that I am wrong but I feel we are on the precipice of a world war because of our involvement in Ukraine and Syria. I pray God is merciful and helps us find our way out this mess... a mess we are at least partially responsible for.

Given the questionable leadership we are saddled with here in the US I think it is a good time to start worrying and start praying for guidance.


18 posted on 07/24/2014 7:23:01 PM PDT by Bobalu (Israel is the most long-suffering and peace loving nation on Earth.)
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To: Bobalu
I also have the same misgivings about the current leader of Ukraine.

Why?

The tragedy serves no one, not Russia, not Ukraine and least of all the eastern separatists involved in civil war.

A "civil war" would require some group of native Ukrainians to be fighting. Every poll that has been taken there, whether nationally or internationally, and the election itself, has shown that the separatists only receive but a minority of support. It's time to call things for what they really are:

From https://news.vice.com/article/its-time-to-assign-blame-for-everything-happening-in-ukraine

There is evidence that more than half of rebel fighters are actually Russian citizens who came to Ukraine — with weaponry that looks suspiciously like that of the Russian military — just to fight.

It has also been proven, beyond a doubt, that the Russkies are shooting from Russian territory (read link).

This is not a civil war. This is a war between Ukraine and Russia, the latter of whom is using terrorism and KGB style propaganda to do it.

I can’t imagine why the pilot of the Malaysian jetliner was traveling over a hot war zone!? Was he mad? incompetent? or simply a fool following orders? I wish I knew.

They were flying at 33,000 feet. No one can hit them except a state power with those sorts of missiles, and if they have them, then they can tell the difference between a Ukrainian Su-35 which can't reach that height, an an Airline going in the wrong direction, at a much greater rate of speed.

In the case of the conflict raging in Ukraine both the US and Russia have meddled and supported the parties involved.

And how, exactly, is the United States doing anything for Ukraine?

20 posted on 07/24/2014 7:41:42 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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