[Patton@Bastogne]

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Westbrook,


You're clearly right that Nancy Pelosi and the "bastard" Obama don't care a wiff about either Global Warming and/or Global Cooling or the Easter Bunny ...

these socialists clowns would use any rationale for making all of us Serfs on the Medevial Collective Plantations.



As to me being fooled by the scientific claims about Global Warming, I just figured that if NASA said it, it was "gold".

Those child-like days are long gone now ...



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[Westbrook]

> I just figured that if NASA said it, it was “gold”.

You mean NOAA, right?

Heh. I did a lot of work on NASA related projects back in the 70s and 80s. They lost their compass after the shuttle disasters in 86 and 03. Now they specialize in Moslem “outreach”. (roll-eyes)

> Those child-like days are long gone now ...

I hear ya. Can’t trust word-one from the gummint/academic complex. Everything is political with them now. No pure research that I can see in there. The only real research taking place now is in the private sector. (!surprised)

[CutePuppy]

How could Newt, "make the biggest mistake of his life." ??? Is or was he a naïve child, overwhelmed by wolves of disinformation?

Not only because of his personal life, but because of that global warming ad with him and Nancy Pelosi on a loveseat telling us how important it is to tax us into penury in order to stop the make-believe global warming bogey man.

Actually, oversimplified and not quite accurate description of what happened. Newt is often "lost in translarion" and quite often "cuts his losses" — does not bother to waste time explaining to those who don't understand or are "invested in not understanding" what he says or does — which in politics could be

What really happened is much more prosaic, but does explain "the dumbest thing I've done in recent years" statement, which refers not to his attempt to wrest the "green" / "environmental" issues from near-exclusive province of Democratic Party, but to the political aftermath of the ad photo repeatedly posted as the "proof" that he is the AGW Global Warming advocate and believer. In politics, taking chances to do something productive rather than just talking party line is seldom rewarded.

From Pelosi Fires back at Gingrich - FR, post #9, by untwist, 2014 January 08

..... Newt made a mistake sitting down with Nancy, but he never bought into the Pelosi / Obama Cap and Trade model. The leftist model was based on huge penalties and bankrupting localities with taxes if they do not move on the federal govt's demands. Gingrich favored a business incentive, tax-break driven model for companies that invest in green energy.

He was snookered by the left who wanted to use him for leverage to push their wild plans. He agreed in principle to invest in alternative energy. He never was in line with Pelosi's model for strong-handed leftist coercion. This is what has not been explained properly.

From Pelosi Fires back at Gingrich - FR, post #27; 2014 January 08

..... Newt keeps trying to co-opt the "green movement" so it would become easier to promote more of real "alternative" sources of energy (like nuclear) instead of cap-and-trade and "carbon taxes." Co-opt the "green" movement and propose investing in cheaper and cleaner domestic sources of energy, contrast it with the pain of expense, scarcity and loss of mobility and freedom of Gore / Pelosi / Kerry liberal "solutions" and then the real goals of phony "green environmentalists" - money from taxes and expensive wind/solar energy - are gone ... and with the money, a movement itself will fail or join Republicans. Defunding by co-opting (instead of "cooperating" with them in their goals) was the real goal of Newt getting into the arena ..... < snip >

..... Meanwhile, Gingrich's staff balked at what Gore's Alliance for Climate Protection wanted the former speaker to say in the ad. They refused to clear the words "crisis" to describe climate change or for him to say — "We need new laws" — to address it ..... < snip >

..... "We rejected the initial script because it stated positions that we just didn't believe were true," said Tyler. "They wanted Newt to basically talk about global warming, which we would not do. At the time, 'climate change' was seen as a safe thing to say." ..... < snip >

..... About a month after the commercial began airing, Gingrich's now defunct political action group, American Solutions for Winning the Future, began its own advertising campaign — a pro- oil "Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less," mantra aimed at blocking legislation co-sponsored by Senators Joseph I. Lieberman, a Connecticut independent, and John Warner, a Virginia Republican, to combat climate change by curbing carbon emissions. ..... < snip >

Other facts debunking the multitude of myths about Gingrich are in these links / references, for those who are really interested, so here are some myth-busters (some posts contain links and references within them, so please forgive repetition) :

Refs :
Gingrich: If it comes to a shutdown, the GOP should stick to its principles - FR, post #104, 2012 February 12

Gingrich admits ABC claim was false [Politico] - FR, post #32 / WSJ, No-Fault Newt, by James Taranto, 2012 January 20

"Cain/Gingrich 2012"? - FR, posts #64, #69, 2011 October 06

'Stop Romney' Christian conservatives give nod to Santorum ahead of S.C. balloting - FR, posts #67, #19, 2012 January 15

To Newt Gingrich haters (vanity) - FR, posts #1, #122, 2012 April 13

Gingrich: The challenge confronting Republicans - FR, posts #1, #2, #26, #81, 2012 December 24

Gingrich urges U.S. Republicans to move beyond Obama opposition - FR, posts #59, #60, 2013 August 15

Trick or truth! Can you even tell the difference? - FR, posts #14, #17, 2014 May 18

Gingrich's Secret Weapon: Newt Inc. - FR, posts #1, #2, #14, 2012 January 25

Does Ryan Now Agree with Gingrich? [And now, here's the rest of the story] - FR, posts #43, 2012 February 18

Reagan Had the Recipe for Success. Let's Follow It (Newt Gingrich in WSJ) - FR / WSJ, posts #1, #17, #19, 2012 December 29

[CutePuppy]

How could Newt, "make the biggest mistake of his life." ??? Is or was he a naïve child, overwhelmed by wolves of disinformation?

Not only because of his personal life, but because of that global warming ad with him and Nancy Pelosi on a loveseat telling us how important it is to tax us into penury in order to stop the make-believe global warming bogey man.

Actually, oversimplified and not quite accurate description of what happened. Newt is often "lost in translarion" and quite often "cuts his losses" — does not bother to waste time explaining to those who don't understand or are "invested in not understanding" what he says or does — which in politics could be less than optimal.

What really happened is much more prosaic, but does explain "the dumbest thing I've done in recent years" statement, which refers not to his attempt to wrest the "green" / "environmental" issues from near-exclusive province of Democratic Party, but to the political aftermath of the ad photo repeatedly posted as the "proof" that he is the AGW Global Warming advocate and believer. In politics, taking chances to do something productive rather than just talking party line is seldom rewarded.

From Pelosi Fires back at Gingrich - FR, post #9, by untwist, 2014 January 08

..... Newt made a mistake sitting down with Nancy, but he never bought into the Pelosi / Obama Cap and Trade model. The leftist model was based on huge penalties and bankrupting localities with taxes if they do not move on the federal govt's demands. Gingrich favored a business incentive, tax-break driven model for companies that invest in green energy.

He was snookered by the left who wanted to use him for leverage to push their wild plans. He agreed in principle to invest in alternative energy. He never was in line with Pelosi's model for strong-handed leftist coercion. This is what has not been explained properly.

From Pelosi Fires back at Gingrich - FR, post #27; 2014 January 08

..... Newt keeps trying to co-opt the "green movement" so it would become easier to promote more of real "alternative" sources of energy (like nuclear) instead of cap-and-trade and "carbon taxes." Co-opt the "green" movement and propose investing in cheaper and cleaner domestic sources of energy, contrast it with the pain of expense, scarcity and loss of mobility and freedom of Gore / Pelosi / Kerry liberal "solutions" and then the real goals of phony "green environmentalists" - money from taxes and expensive wind/solar energy - are gone ... and with the money, a movement itself will fail or join Republicans. Defunding by co-opting (instead of "cooperating" with them in their goals) was the real goal of Newt getting into the arena ..... < snip >

..... Meanwhile, Gingrich's staff balked at what Gore's Alliance for Climate Protection wanted the former speaker to say in the ad. They refused to clear the words "crisis" to describe climate change or for him to say — "We need new laws" — to address it ..... < snip >

..... "We rejected the initial script because it stated positions that we just didn't believe were true," said Tyler. "They wanted Newt to basically talk about global warming, which we would not do. At the time, 'climate change' was seen as a safe thing to say." ..... < snip >

..... About a month after the commercial began airing, Gingrich's now defunct political action group, American Solutions for Winning the Future, began its own advertising campaign — a pro- oil "Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less," mantra aimed at blocking legislation co-sponsored by Senators Joseph I. Lieberman, a Connecticut independent, and John Warner, a Virginia Republican, to combat climate change by curbing carbon emissions. ..... < snip >

Other facts debunking the multitude of myths about Gingrich are in these links / references, for those who are really interested, so here are some myth-busters (some posts contain links and references within them, so please forgive repetition) :

Refs :
Gingrich: If it comes to a shutdown, the GOP should stick to its principles - FR, post #104, 2012 February 12

Gingrich admits ABC claim was false [Politico] - FR, post #32 / WSJ, No-Fault Newt, by James Taranto, 2012 January 20

"Cain/Gingrich 2012"? - FR, posts #64, #69, 2011 October 06

'Stop Romney' Christian conservatives give nod to Santorum ahead of S.C. balloting - FR, posts #67, #19, 2012 January 15

To Newt Gingrich haters (vanity) - FR, posts #1, #122, 2012 April 13

Gingrich: The challenge confronting Republicans - FR, posts #1, #2, #26, #81, 2012 December 24

Gingrich urges U.S. Republicans to move beyond Obama opposition - FR, posts #59, #60, 2013 August 15

Trick or truth! Can you even tell the difference? - FR, posts #14, #17, 2014 May 18

Gingrich's Secret Weapon: Newt Inc. - FR, posts #1, #2, #14, 2012 January 25

Does Ryan Now Agree with Gingrich? [And now, here's the rest of the story] - FR, posts #43, 2012 February 18

Reagan Had the Recipe for Success. Let's Follow It (Newt Gingrich in WSJ) - FR / WSJ, posts #1, #17, #19, 2012 December 29