Posted on 07/22/2014 8:35:17 AM PDT by Kaslin
Not unlike the questions being asked about 1938 Germany. Answera came the next year.
Oh you know, conscience is so old fashioned. Keeps people from doing what they wanna do. /sarc
The answer to the question appears to be a resounding “NO”!
In light of the recent Malaysia Airlines tragedies (one missing, one brought down by the Russians) I completed a project I began some time ago to remind us of an earlier Russian involved murder of hundreds of innocents. Will someone please remind obozo that it’s still a jungle out there!
(It’s a short 8 minutes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTgCIrUeuh0&list=UUFDlhK80EdO28R-iGTXiGaw
When I was younger, I dated a couple of Russian guys (not at the same time, of course) and it was enough to convince me that they are very scary people.
When I was in Odessa last year a couple of Ukrainians I talked to said that Russians are barbarians.
I'm not just talking about the inevitable consequences of military aggression, but wanton acts of theft and destruction, such as the seizure of the books and paintings from the public library in Warsaw after the Third Partition of Poland (the first public library in Europe) and their transport to the Hermitage.
Murder, theft, and rape have all been official instruments of Russian public policy for centuries.
Really? Please share some of your stories!
“Fourth, to the widespread acclaim of the Russian people, Putin annexed part of Ukraine”
A part of Ukraine that had been Russian for hundreds of years, 10 times longer than it had been part of Ukraine.
That was only made part of Ukraine by a fluke of shifting an internal border of the USSR.
A part of Ukraine with a majority Russian populace, that already had special autonomy and that voted to join Russia...
Where is Dennis Praeger’s conscience for the right of people for self determination?
The USA supported a separatist movement in the nation of Serbia. They bombed the hell out of Serbia for 78 days, destroying 40,000 homes — and forced them to give up their province of Kosovo.
This is what the USA thinks of national sovereignty, and the precedent it has set for the world.
“All evidence points to these people — supplied with Russian arms including the Russian SA-11 antiaircraft missile — as the murderers who shot down a civilian airliner with 298 people on board. “
Praeger writes as if the shooting down of a passenger plane was intentional. But strong evidence suggests otherwise.
Is it really sensible to describe an accident as murder?
Ukraine accidentally shot down a passenger plane in 2001. Was that murder?
The US Navy accidentally shot down a passenger plane in 1988, was that murder?
Why should the separatists face stronger punishment than in these cases, when the commercial airliner directly overflew a warzone where planes had recently been shot down?
The warzone in Donetsk/Luhansk is a tiny portion of Ukraine. It would have been easy and common sense to route around it.
When Ukraine decided to raise the no-go ceiling to 31,000 feet instead of routing traffic around the small warzone, was that murder?
I don’t think loosely aligned groups of people (like nations) have a conscience. Tightly aligned groups of people (small PACs, churches) are generally aligned around a conscience. But loose groups are really just mobs. Then you get back to the old Men In Black maxim: a person is smart (has a conscience), people are dumb (don’t).
No.
Russia has NEVER known FREEDOM... ever,,
They have always had despots in power over them..
They know of NOTHING ELSE...
Same with China.. having despots in power is NORMAL to them..
Freedom would be strange to them.. uncomfortable..
Slowly it’s become reality in the United States as well..
LACK of freedom is becoming more comfortable to Americans..
ELSE.. Obama would be hanging from a tree.. somewhere..
The Navy wasn’t just looking for a commercial airliner to shoot down from 33,000 feet for no reason, there is no comparison to what Russia did, and is doing here.
But thanks for thinking of the U.S. military and President Reagan when you want to prop up Russian aggression.
It’s a perfect comparison.
Both were accidental downings of a passenger plane in a warzone.
Both were misidentification.
The USA thought the passenger plane was an attacking tomcat fighter. 290 people on the passenger plane died, including 66 children.
Not perfect at all, the Russian invaders shot down a passenger plane from 33,000 feet for no reason.
This is so shocking because it came totally out of the blue, not because it was a tragic mistake made in the heat of combat, this has no excuse or legitimate reason for there even being such a threat possible.
You know who’s killing all the Ukrainian civilians? The Ukrainian government. All they ever wanted was to be free.
What threat did the USA face from the passenger plane it shot down in 1988?
What threat did Ukraine face from the passenger plane it mistakenly shot down in 2001?
The comparison is perfectly valid.
All 3 were mistakes.
In the case of the the Malaysian flight, it would have been easy and common sense to route around the small war zone.
Some of the Malaysian flight crew protested the route beforehand, some even switched shifts specifically to avoid it. Most Airlines avoided the small Ukraine warzone by policy.
Why? Because not directly overflying a warzone is common sense.
The Vincennes had just been engaged in combat and thought they were under attack from a fighter plane that was close and coming at them.
The Russian invaders were just shooting at something at 33,000 feet that had nothing to do with them.
You can look at the arguments for the U.S. military’s mistake 30 years ago but what are your reasons for justifying this situation that happened this past week, and why are you so desperate to find some way to justify it anyway?
Why don’t you just go straight to your anti-West, Pro-Russia arguments?
Let me guess, you are Orthodox, so of course you feel the need to side with with the KGB guy over America and the West.
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