Oh no I grasped it fine. The problem is it's another straw man argument.
Lets us review:
I said that MSG is used to make mice fat for scientific studies on obesity. You said in post 94 : "Scientists don't feed rodents MSG to make them fat.....unless they happen to be looking for grant money from scientific illiterates."
Well apparently you are wrong being that MSG Obesity Induced Mice are available for purchase from laboratory suppliers. See this is the bit you glossed over. Then you poo poo the numerous research studies that uses these mice. I guess its just a grand conspiracy to make you look like you don't know what you are talking about. hahahah
Further if such mice are indeed as you say only available because of government grants then apparently the government pays people to make mice fat using MSG even though the FDA says there is no known detrimental effects from ingesting MSG. And we all know that the FDA would never allow something on the market that is detrimental to humans when ingested... Right?
A little salt is required for good health. Too much will kill you. Your position: "Salt kills, it is dangerous".
You are silly.
/johnny
I don't think that means what you think it means. But that's not surprising for a windbag.
I said that MSG is used to make mice fat for scientific studies on obesity.
Yes, and I said that when you overwhelm the body with anything, bad shit will happen. Scientists injecting or force feeding MSG into lab rats in quantities that have absolutely no relationship to real world human consumption has nothing to do with science. You might recall me saying that in just about all of my responses to your stupidity.
What is the purpose of overwhelming the rat's physiology with MSG? Does it deliver any useful scientific information? If so, please tell me what it is. As I said many times before, scientists do this to alarm the public, especially the mindless masses, so that they can continue to attract the money necessary to study the scary issue further.
You appear to want us to believe that consuming the sodium salt of one of the most common building blocks of protein is responsible for all sorts of maladies affecting the human race today. That defies all logic. The Japanese have, for a long, long time, consumed more MSG, per capita, than any other people on earth. Yet they have one of the lowest incidences of obesity on the globe and possess the longest healthy life expectancy of any country on earth. I see a big hole in your flawed logic there, Gomer.
When it comes to processed food, the optimum level for MSG, on average, is somewhere between 0.3% and 0.4% of the food by weight. MSG as a flavor enhancer is self limiting....meaning that if you add beyond the optimum amount, the taste of the food is immediately and negatively impacted. Adding more is not better. To think that this small amount of added MSG, that is simply the sodium salt of one of the most common amino acids found in nature, could be responsible for any of the effects you seem eager to blame it for is, well, retarded.
You also seem eager to ignore the fact that humans get 10 times more glutamate from natural sources than added sources. Once again, Lucy, how can the added glutamate be bad for you if the naturally occurring isn't, but accounts for 10 times more of our total consumption? Are you trying to tell us that tomatoes, shrimp, chicken and Parmesan cheese are dangerous foods? Why do the people who eat the most added MSG on earth live longer and have one of the lowest rates of obesity than anyone on earth? You have a brain, but you're not using it.
In most of the studies you cite, the researchers forced lab rats to consume as much as 30% of their total diet in MSG. Meanwhile, the average American gets only 1 gram of added MSG a day in their diet. Converting this to human terms, a person would have to eat 1800 grams of MSG a day to equal what the scientists fed the lab rats. My math may not be exact, but that means the lab rat is eating around 3,500 times more MSG than the average American every day. To a retard that might make sense, but to anyone with a brain, this is really bad craziness. JRF and I encourage you to eat 1800 grams of straight MSG a day for a week or two, and then get back to us on your physical well being. Please do it on an empty stomach. Do you live near a hospital?
Trying to scare us into believing that if toxic levels in rats are harmful, then lower intakes for us could be dangerous, too, ignores the foundation of toxicology. You might remember it from when you studied toxicology in college -- The dose makes the poison.
J Random and I probably had more training in food science in one day than you've had in your entire life. My education is in biochemistry/food science (MS) and I'm a flavor chemist by trade. But those facts will make no difference to someone devoid of critical thinking skills, or to someone who is cursed with a fixed mentality.
If you continue to believe everything you read on the internet, you'll continue to go through life believing the nonsense you've posted here.
As someone already posted, you can have the last word.